VintageCollector

It's a marketing lie if that's actually true. I had no idea.

And it further illustrates how far Porsche has strayed from their core philosophy. These new cars are no longer true Porsches just as Turbos are no longer Turbos. They're just corporate money makers.

I'd flagellate myself if I bought one of those non-Turbo 'turbos'. Wow.

I had to shift away from loving German cars in the late 1990's when most started to really become terrible cars and I moved to Japanese cars. It was really difficult for me because I was a German car lover since my earliest teenage years, but a move like this will make me move away from anything that comes out of the Porsche factory after.

I'm actually flabbergasted. The Porsche family are turning in their graves.

schroederhc1

Going in June!

Szabi

Hello, I just joined, but have read and followed this forum for years. It looks like I will be letting go of my 2010 BMW e61 m sport wagon and hope to use the proceeds towards a 1999 model. Curious if the market cools in the coming months. It seems it has a bit.

Marv

I always feel skeptical when a claim is made only from a single source. I don’t know about the source or sources for the video’s claims, but most citations here seem to use BAT as a representative sample of the 996 universe. So, is what we are posting really what is happening or what we like to see happening? I’m leaning toward the latter.

…which is a bit disturbing if you are putting more value in your car based only its resale value instead of (what I feel is) the fact that you can get one hell of a car with the 996 without spending an outrageous amount of money.

There are a lot of people here that are really enthralled with their car. So, what’s wrong with that and why do we need to justify that to ourselves, let alone the rest of the world by fussing over its resale value?

Then again, if you are looking to sell, ignore everything I just said.

168glhs1986

Welcome. A word of advice (from an enthusiest) when timing car purchases or sales. The best time to buy a used 911 is always right now. The best time to sell is, well I hope no one ever sells. But they do for one reason or another. The best time to sell is when you DON'T need the money. That way you won't jump on lower priced offers due to what might be a desperate situation.

Don't delay in your purchase to try and time a market that can't be timed. Jump in head first and thank yourself after a couple years of ownership

pcarfan944

We just saw a 12,000 mile 2001 C4 Coupe bring $59,000 on Thursday. There have been plenty of other notable sales. Spring is around the corner so don't hold your breath about any cooling. Historically price trends may slow but values never go back down. There are still enough of these cars out there to find a deal, IMO, if you're checking Autotrader, etc, daily and ready to jump. I spent the summer of 2018 searching and was competing with the BAT flippers even back then.

EVOMMM

I think the high wave is coming along with summer

GC996

to Barber?

schroederhc1

yes sir!

schroederhc1

Huntsville

pulpo

I'd be willing to bet there is a Porsche customer somewhere that traded in for a non-turbo 992 without realizing they are all turbocharged. The only naturally aspirated Porsches now are the GT3, GT4 and 718 GTS 4.0.

GC996

Great point. I believe that every one of the 991.2 models were turbo charged as well, with the exception of the GT3, GT3 RS and Speedster which were still naturally aspirated.

Too everyone's point, what does "Turbo" actually mean once the 991.2 models were introduced in 2016? To Porsche's legal team it means more power with more emissions efficiency to make the regulators happy. To the engineering teams it means more ways to slice and dice the power plant for different models. To the sales and marketing team it means more ways to slice and dice their offerings in different models to go after potential new customers. To the old guard it means blasphemy.

Not certain about the Boxster and Cayman details, but around the same time they went to 4 cylinder turbos, but don't have the details. GT4s remained NA flat sixes. I do believe that their was a backlash with the turbo 4s and they added back into the equation NA flat sixes. But don't know the details. Maybe someone will provide them.

As you can see, Porsche has evolved quite a bit driven by emissions and market segmentation. Nothing wrong with it to ensure business survival and growth, but once you start to study the new models, and you are a petrol head, the 996 becomes very attractive on many fronts. Why? Because it's a non-techno box platform that you can purchase for a great price, and retro-mod it any way you want for an All-In price that is substantially less than buying a used 991 or 992.

Not to mention it is a driver's car with a visceral feel vs a neutral feeling "digital" car.

Marv

Agreed. As a general rule, the sports car market tends to go up in price in the Spring and drops in the Winter months.

Icelia

I think it is unfair to blame the car manufacturer for implementing the modern things like backup cameras or having to turbocharge smaller engines to keep up with the efficacity demands, as in most of those cases the changes were required to meet emissions or safety requirements. I don't like that they add to bloat and complexity either, but when a car manufacturer is backed into a corner, they have to do it, or lose out on that market.

In the next few decades we will see even worse things as the transition from ICE to EV really takes off.

bdronsick

Um, naming an electric car "Turbo", or pumping fake exhaust note into the stereo speakers was not "required to meet emissions or safety"

Although it certainly is "modern" Porsche

Enjoy it