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02-13-2022, 09:44 AM
#5626
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And that is why Porsche makes and sells GT variants in ever increasing numbers. This includes the GTS versions as something in between. And don't discount the GT4. It's and excellent machine. Even the Spyder is a tempting sports car.
Finally, Rennlist enthusiasts are simply a small percentage of the Porsche universe. Most owners are not necessarily members.
The good news is there is something for everyone in the lineage (new and used) from Porsche.
Finally, Rennlist enthusiasts are simply a small percentage of the Porsche universe. Most owners are not necessarily members.
The good news is there is something for everyone in the lineage (new and used) from Porsche.
The 991 GT and 992 GT cars are no different. They are large, cushy Techno wizardry boxes. The only difference is they have a few more settings for performance and yes, more performance.
But to your point that Porsche makes something for everyone, I agree 100%
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02-13-2022, 10:11 AM
#5629
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Here is what makes the 996 pretty cool.
From the exterior standpoint, we all know that a lot can be done with factory aero kits that create a timeless classic look that works in any era up to date. We also have aftermarket parts like the RPM ducktail that moves it further towards a classic look that works.
But from an interior standpoint, it's a very simple design that lends itself well to retro-moding, and we are starting to see it happen. Wait another year or two and we will see some very tasteful, timeless ideas.
I respect and appreciate the 991 and 992, but I would not spend my money on them at this time because
(1) they are large techno boxes of future he'll. We don't know what the problems will be nor how to fix them, nor what it will cost. My bet is that when this pandemic bubble is over, they will all depreciate hard as a result.
(2) not sure how they will age in look with all the angles, and techno crap. In 20 years, folks may love the look or not.
But I do know the costs of the 996 to fix all the issues we have collectively identified over the past 24 years, as well as the replacement parts, as well as suspension, brake and engine rebuilds and enhancements.
Go long the 996. It's not only a classic 911, it's a collectible 911. Last of an era.
From the exterior standpoint, we all know that a lot can be done with factory aero kits that create a timeless classic look that works in any era up to date. We also have aftermarket parts like the RPM ducktail that moves it further towards a classic look that works.
But from an interior standpoint, it's a very simple design that lends itself well to retro-moding, and we are starting to see it happen. Wait another year or two and we will see some very tasteful, timeless ideas.
I respect and appreciate the 991 and 992, but I would not spend my money on them at this time because
(1) they are large techno boxes of future he'll. We don't know what the problems will be nor how to fix them, nor what it will cost. My bet is that when this pandemic bubble is over, they will all depreciate hard as a result.
(2) not sure how they will age in look with all the angles, and techno crap. In 20 years, folks may love the look or not.
But I do know the costs of the 996 to fix all the issues we have collectively identified over the past 24 years, as well as the replacement parts, as well as suspension, brake and engine rebuilds and enhancements.
Go long the 996. It's not only a classic 911, it's a collectible 911. Last of an era.
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02-13-2022, 10:27 AM
#5630
Three Wheelin'
Any idea on price.
Here is what makes the 996 pretty cool.
From the exterior standpoint, we all know that a lot can be done with factory aero kits that create a timeless classic look that works in any era up to date. We also have aftermarket parts like the RPM ducktail that moves it further towards a classic look that works.
But from an interior standpoint, it's a very simple design that lends itself well to retro-moding, and we are starting to see it happen. Wait another year or two and we will see some very tasteful, timeless ideas.
I respect and appreciate the 991 and 992, but I would not spend my money on them at this time because
(1) they are large techno boxes of future he'll. We don't know what the problems will be nor how to fix them, nor what it will cost. My bet is that when this pandemic bubble is over, they will all depreciate hard as a result.
(2) not sure how they will age in look with all the angles, and techno crap. In 20 years, folks may love the look or not.
But I do know the costs of the 996 to fix all the issues we have collectively identified over the past 24 years, as well as the replacement parts, as well as suspension, brake and engine rebuilds and enhancements.
Go long the 996. It's not only a classic 911, it's a collectible 911. Last of an era.
From the exterior standpoint, we all know that a lot can be done with factory aero kits that create a timeless classic look that works in any era up to date. We also have aftermarket parts like the RPM ducktail that moves it further towards a classic look that works.
But from an interior standpoint, it's a very simple design that lends itself well to retro-moding, and we are starting to see it happen. Wait another year or two and we will see some very tasteful, timeless ideas.
I respect and appreciate the 991 and 992, but I would not spend my money on them at this time because
(1) they are large techno boxes of future he'll. We don't know what the problems will be nor how to fix them, nor what it will cost. My bet is that when this pandemic bubble is over, they will all depreciate hard as a result.
(2) not sure how they will age in look with all the angles, and techno crap. In 20 years, folks may love the look or not.
But I do know the costs of the 996 to fix all the issues we have collectively identified over the past 24 years, as well as the replacement parts, as well as suspension, brake and engine rebuilds and enhancements.
Go long the 996. It's not only a classic 911, it's a collectible 911. Last of an era.
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02-13-2022, 10:27 AM
#5631
Rennlist Member
Timeless design is typically overlooked originally
The Carrera GT, for example, quickly fell to less than half its original value, before eventually recovering, and subsequently skyrocketing to nearly $2M (and rising…)
Conversely 997/991/992 were all hailed as “beautiful” at launch year, but all such designs quickly “show their age”. IE: Like the “freshness” of new Apple products, new Porsches no longer create, but rather reflect fickle, current taste
Thus time will be very, very cruel to the newer 911 design generations. They are all, in a word: “rotting”. That simply is what it is. Yet each passing decade brings another (even larger) generational groundswell of favorable recognition to Ferry’s Type 996
The slowest 911 to rise will rise the highest. All of art history alone makes this inevitable
And we haven’t even yet mentioned the headlights that won LeMans
The Carrera GT, for example, quickly fell to less than half its original value, before eventually recovering, and subsequently skyrocketing to nearly $2M (and rising…)
Conversely 997/991/992 were all hailed as “beautiful” at launch year, but all such designs quickly “show their age”. IE: Like the “freshness” of new Apple products, new Porsches no longer create, but rather reflect fickle, current taste
Thus time will be very, very cruel to the newer 911 design generations. They are all, in a word: “rotting”. That simply is what it is. Yet each passing decade brings another (even larger) generational groundswell of favorable recognition to Ferry’s Type 996
The slowest 911 to rise will rise the highest. All of art history alone makes this inevitable
And we haven’t even yet mentioned the headlights that won LeMans
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02-13-2022, 10:32 AM
#5632
Rennlist Member
As I said a few posts ago, Porsche's today are built for the mass affluent that think Lexus and Tesla are on top of the food chain. Most new owners will never understand the configuration of the instruments in front of the steering wheel, nor why the tach is sitting smack dab in the middle and is the biggest of them all, nor even care. These owners are more concerned with connecting their iPhone to the techno wizardry so they can listen to their favorite music than the glorious sound of a flat six. Not me, I drive with the radio off and Windows down. The flat six is the best music a guy can listen too.
Porsche is the greatest marketing company known to man. I respect and appreciate what they have built. More importantly, I wake up every day happy, knowing that because of their efforts, my 996 will become more desirable as each year goes by. Why, because there is a group a folks that actually want a modern visceral driving experience. And their eyes and butts will move towards 996 ownership.
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02-13-2022, 11:00 AM
#5633
Jumping in, twisting the key, and cranking the machine ON. Don't have to fiddle with infinite "sport" setting adjustments for the exhaust, steering, throttle response, suspension. The machine is set to SPORT by default.
That's something that I get a kick out of every time.
That's something that I get a kick out of every time.
02-13-2022, 11:07 AM
#5634
Rennlist Member
If I had let one attribute that I found undesirable about my GT3 dissuade me from taking that first test drive I would have missed my chance of owning something far greater than my initial and limited prejudice of the car.
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02-13-2022, 11:20 AM
#5635
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I encourage everyone to go to the Porsche Driving school in at Barber Motorsports. It's expensive, but you will drive all of the latest model 911s, Caymans and Boxters on the track; not to mention Cayennes off track. You can see it first hand and report back your thoughts. After doing it, I decided to keep my 996. But everyone is different.
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02-13-2022, 11:28 AM
#5636
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But driving the GT changed my mind quickly and going back and driving 993 only reinforces the fact that the GT3 is a better car. The newer GT3 suspension was more compliant and better than my 993 sport suspension. I'm sure that a 991 GT3 would be the same over the 996, but I'm happy and lucky to have what I have. I'm at peace with that (probably an understatement).
Lastly, the argument about size is not so valid when you consider the 996 is bigger than its air-cooled predecessors. Yes, the newer cars are even bigger, but the performance is so much better (apples to apples). At least from a GT perspective.
Do I yearn for a 992 GT3? Not really. But I can appreciate the new car for what it is; it's a better performer by a significant margin.
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02-13-2022, 11:51 AM
#5637
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Well I can't afford a 992 GT3, but from what I have read, the technology is a game changer, just like the 996 GT3 was over my 993. I much preferred the gauge layout of the 993 and the overall look and feel of the 993 compared to the 996. The 993 doors felt more solid (even though there were not) and I miss the oil temperature gauge. The 996 is a larger car, too!
But driving the GT changed my mind quickly and going back and driving 993 only reinforces the fact that the GT3 is a better car. The newer GT3 suspension was more compliant and better than my 993 sport suspension. I'm sure that a 991 GT3 would be the same over the 996, but I'm happy and lucky to have what I have. I'm at peace with that (probably an understatement).
Lastly, the argument about size is not so valid when you consider the 996 is bigger than its air-cooled predecessors. Yes, the newer cars are even bigger, but the performance is so much better (apples to apples). At least from a GT perspective.
Do I yearn for a 992 GT3? Not really. But I can appreciate the new car for what it is; it's a better performer by a significant margin.
But driving the GT changed my mind quickly and going back and driving 993 only reinforces the fact that the GT3 is a better car. The newer GT3 suspension was more compliant and better than my 993 sport suspension. I'm sure that a 991 GT3 would be the same over the 996, but I'm happy and lucky to have what I have. I'm at peace with that (probably an understatement).
Lastly, the argument about size is not so valid when you consider the 996 is bigger than its air-cooled predecessors. Yes, the newer cars are even bigger, but the performance is so much better (apples to apples). At least from a GT perspective.
Do I yearn for a 992 GT3? Not really. But I can appreciate the new car for what it is; it's a better performer by a significant margin.
My comments are not to beat up on the later model 911, but instead are designed to create an appreciation for the uniqueness and desirability of the 996. Just like the new 992's, the 996's will attract folks looking for something that they can't get elsewhere.
At the end of the day, everyone should get the car the
they want. Not what other people want. Good news is that there are plenty of choices with Porsche. All are great!
02-13-2022, 12:17 PM
#5638
Rennlist Member
The first time I sat in a 996 I felt right at home (coming from 993): jet-black surfaces, simple analog gauges, and tight driving focused ergonomics
No amount of computer enhanced “performance” statistics can correct now for these later cars focused almost entirely on expansive passenger comfort, automated driving/safety aides, and multimedia “online” experiences
It’s not a trade off at all IMO
Its just not 911
Not even close
No amount of computer enhanced “performance” statistics can correct now for these later cars focused almost entirely on expansive passenger comfort, automated driving/safety aides, and multimedia “online” experiences
It’s not a trade off at all IMO
Its just not 911
Not even close
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