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Old 02-14-2022, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by philbert996
Ford is calling an EV SUV abomination a Mustang
The MachE is probably as much or more of a sports car than the Mustang was for most of it's life. Not much of a reputation to ruin there.
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Old 02-14-2022, 11:10 AM
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Everything is now a "Turbo" including Taycan

And the Turbo is now a wet-sump

So, explain again how there is still a 911??

Because this isn't it...




Can someone please explain what I'm looking at here??

I am at a loss


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every one of the 991.2 models were turbo charged as well

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Old 02-14-2022, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by bdronsick
Um, naming an electric car "Turbo", or pumping fake exhaust note into the stereo speakers was not "required to meet emissions or safety"

Although it certainly is "modern" Porsche

Enjoy it
If you notice, I didn't defend either of those in my comment.
I defended the need to turbocharge a smaller displacement engine to get comparable performance with lower emissions (many other manufacturers doing the same) and the standard backup camera (required in the US).

Naming an electric car 'turbo' definitely isn't required, or accurate. Pumping exhaust notes out speakers isn't either, but you will see more of that guaranteed in the next 20 years.
Cars are going to start sounding like the pod-racers from 'The Phantom Menace' before much longer. Not for me, but customers will demand it, you just watch. When the car is silent by default; people will want the 'notice me' factor.
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Old 02-14-2022, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Icelia
I think it is unfair to blame the car manufacturer for implementing the modern things like backup cameras or having to turbocharge smaller engines to keep up with the efficacity demands, as in most of those cases the changes were required to meet emissions or safety requirements. I don't like that they add to bloat and complexity either, but when a car manufacturer is backed into a corner, they have to do it, or lose out on that market.

In the next few decades we will see even worse things as the transition from ICE to EV really takes off.
No one to blame but the politicians. They change the rules not the car companies. Car companies are trying to stay in business by protecting their turf and bring out products that will help to grow their business.

I will say that the transition you mention needs to have one more step in it regarding the production of new cars.

From ICE to EV to Hybrid

Porsche/Audi has all but guaranteed it. Don't listen to what they say, which is marketing. Look at what they do.

1. Porsche got into Formula E racing and then decided to leave it after 2 years. They said they learned all the need to know.
2. Launched biofuel, began racing it in the Porsche Super Cup series this past year. Version 2 of the fuel will be used this year.
3. Porsche has elbowed their way into being an F-1 engine supplier to Red Bull in 2025 using hybrid biofuel technology in partnership with Exxon Mobile which forces the other energy companies to produce biofuel as well. If they don't, they can't partner with the race teams and compete in F1. Do you think Shell won't make biofuel and give up their partnership with Ferrari? Or Petronas won't do the same for Mercedes? They won't give up racing and as such, we will have biofuel in the pumps at every gas station sometime in the next 5 years. No different than the clean diesel rollout of yesteryear.
4. Porsche is doing the same with WEC, IMSA, IndyCar etc. Biofuel is a realty.

Watch as Porsche makes the marketing transition from EV focus to Hybrid focus over the next 5 years. They don't waste money in racing. Everything they do has a future, well thought out purpose.

The future is in biofuel powered ICE integrated with EV to create world class clean and viable hybrids that get 300 Mpg.

Biofuel allows the billions of ICE powered cars already on this planet to cleanly run. EV is just a stepping stone as an individual component that can be integrated with biofuel ICE engines within superior future hybrid technology. Along the way, regulatory requirements will be adjusted as these new solutions come to market, and we will live happily ever after with clean Air.

go long the 996
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Old 02-14-2022, 11:33 AM
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Just my opinion, but...

Turbo:





Turbos:




Not a Turbo:




Spaceship??


Old 02-14-2022, 11:34 AM
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Not something I would want to own. I would have to completely change my wardrobe.

But I do want to own a 996. Just saying.
Old 02-14-2022, 11:38 AM
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You mean to a spacesuit?

On what planet is the new Turbo a 911??

Someone please try and explain

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I would have to completely change my wardrobe
Old 02-14-2022, 11:40 AM
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Just be careful not to cut yourself on those sharp edges.

signed,

Even more bullish on the future of the 996.

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Old 02-14-2022, 11:43 AM
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New "911" looks like a Suzuki

live long enough you see everything


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Just be careful not to cut yourself on those sharp edges.
Old 02-14-2022, 11:49 AM
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Not rocket science..





Originally Posted by GC996
bullish on the future of the 996.
Old 02-14-2022, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by bdronsick
Um, naming an electric car "Turbo", or pumping fake exhaust note into the stereo speakers was not "required to meet emissions or safety"

Although it certainly is "modern" Porsche

Enjoy it
I think its a bit of both. Like any manufacture Porsche has evolved with the times and they are just doing what they see as being the most profitable. I think with emissions, safety standards and their client basses want is why we have those things. It's not just one or the other.
Old 02-14-2022, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by brontosaurus
The MachE is probably as much or more of a sports car than the Mustang was for most of it's life. Not much of a reputation to ruin there.
Eh, the Mustang name does have a lot of history and reputation.
Good and bad.
But Ford like Porsche has the right to put their model names on anything they want.

It’s 2022 and your Mustang no longer needs to be a 2 door rwd sports car with an internal combustion engine and your Turbo no longer needs a actual turbo.

My lowly base ‘99 Carrera identifies as a ‘73 RS or a GT2 depending on the Moon phase.

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Old 02-14-2022, 12:46 PM
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The actual spelling is: "devolved"


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Porsche has evolved... doing what they see as being the most profitable
Old 02-14-2022, 12:54 PM
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And I have the right not to buy one until they put them back on a dry-sump 911

Foregone conclusion: forever


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Porsche has the right to put their model names on anything they want
Old 02-14-2022, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by bdronsick
Spaceship??

Settle down - you're hopped up on sugar again spewing ridiculousness. Porsche doesn't sell this. It's a 992 with a full Techart treatment they call GT Street R. https://www.techart.de/en/models/911...bo/gtstreet-r/
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