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Who ended up purchasing the white 997.1 GT3 CS? I see it is no longer on TM.

peterC2S

Its all about timing. All you've done is bring the object of desire a bit closer.

Although its funny to see the speculation on PH elsewhere on RL that the GT4 means an imminent collapse in prices of 996/997 GT3s and the R. Apparently the Spyder is spared... oh well, never mind.

993 Targa

Yep I was there! Had pretty much the same conundrum! I saw the Porsche's but I didn't see anyone I had seen on photos here next to them so I couldn't say hello. I wasn't actually driving the Porsche today but one of our other cars so if you had said hello to the gentleman driving it he probably would have been pretty confused!

John McM

I suspect there's a realignment due, albeit 911 Virgin have taken deposits on the £60,000 Mk 1 GT3 and £44,000 Spyder. If prices do go down I could possibly have to make the R another long term keeper as others have decided e.g.

OK - I've made my decision and my god it was a tough one but I'm going to mod the R. I've given up my no.1 slot at OPC for the GT4.

I know the GT4 will be an awesome car but I just can't justify the swap. Also, I'll be able to do more track days and I think the R with a few mods would be utterly epic and finally it allows us to be a 3 car household, which is very appealing. And Mrs will allow me to get a 991 GTS (funds depending, so that should ease the pain bit!)

I've done a fair amount of research, know the cost of all the mods I want done and I'm looking forward to seeing the end result. I also can't escape the fact that the CR's spec is exactly what I want in a car. And I think the GT4's engine choice was a bit of a let-down.

So watch this space in March and I'll keep you all updated on what I've had done and my view of how it's impacted the drive of the CR. I'll be keeping all original parts, so if there's anything I don't like, I can revert to std.

The next few months/years should be a lot of fun!

Macca

Sandbagging I think you mean.

Timeo set that 991 S lap record long after the launch of the car in a PDK equipped car with sport chassis. He is also recognised amongst the test driver team at PAG as being the fastest most consistent Ring driver.

Interestingly the number Porsche advertise when a product is launched is often chosen by the marketing team from a range of times achieved by 2-3 factory drivers. It is supposed to be the most representative time however my cynical view is its chosen specifically to address the "needs" of the marketing boys.

My gut feel is the GT4 will come in around the time of the 991S Timeo drove, possibly even 1-2s faster. It has virtually identical power to weight, the PDK advantage will be offset by the increased GT4 aero and the GT4 has the benefit of MPSC2 which the 991S didnt have. I expect the 991 GT3RS to come in around 7.15s. Thats a nice split for the marketing boys GT4 = 7.35, GT3 = 7.25 an RS = 7.15 (not far of GTR Nissmo track edition).

Around a short track like HD I think the difference between the GT4/GT3/RS would be less than a second each car driven by same driver. So that would put the 991 GT3RS at 1.08 in stock trim at HD then LOL!

Exciting times ahead. One thing is for sure at least in USA, UK & Euro markets. If you are after a MT GT car in the next few years the GT4 will be a very compelling option at around 100K NZD equivalent in the overseas markets moving forward. I expect EVO and other mags will be talking the car up pretty strong after giving Porsche grief for PDK only in the GT3 & RS (and good on them too for standing up for the MT). Now they have been given it, it will have to live up to the promise I guess...


Carmine Red + Matt black wheels + matt black rear spoiler struts + black mirror details & black PDLS headlights....slide below carmine (darker) vs Guards red.

John McM

I recall AP telling the reporter that they would have to wait until the Ring opened in April to see what the GT4 could do, but weren't some spy pics at the Ring?

The R times at the Ring appear to be much slower. I'm still wondering what times a good driver could do at HD in the R as is on road tyres.

John McM

Macca, the Cayman board is saying "Production will be 600 US cars with about 200 going to the 918 owners. .......... From a really good source"

How many RHD cars are likely to be sold and how will you get on the list? Is that limited production all marketing hype to keep demand up or will they sell as many as the market wants? Also what happened to the club sport options?

Macca

They were spotted at the Ring as late as November testing but he said due to winter they hadn't been able to set a final time after finishing development. He said they were closing in on 7.40 and May even get to go under. They won't tell us until they announce the RS at Geneva - and likely not till May when they get back to the ring as the did with the GT3.

The Cayman R should be good for 1.17 at the very least IMO on the MPSS tyres I think you are using. That's probably in the mid 15s on a R comp. Pete would be better placed to tell.

I'm submitting a few GT4 orders to Europe this coming week for allocation and price approval. Cars need to be ordered asap with 20% deposit to secure RHD allocation. Delivery will be Europe June/July 2016 to coincide with RSG Europe. I'm not sure it will be possible to get many allocations and I'm not sure yet what the NZ price is as I have asked but NZ haven't decided their price yet. Happy to take the business locally but if the difference remains significant...if anyone serious here please PM me.

Macca

My contact says they will make as many as GT3 (2500-3000) and that it will be restricted only by production time which means initial orders will be constrained but like GT3 in LHF markets everyone who wants one will get one. Unfortunately UK may get constrained again like Gt3 so RHD market will be more difficult than LHD. My GT3 is worth more in the UK used than the NZ new base list price so long term there is little risk you'll get stuck with a depreciation curve too deep - the UK and the rising pound May see to that unless the bubble bursts or the dynamics get turned upside down...,

O2GO

Macca that carmine red with black wheels configuration is bloody gorgeous. Pete, what do you reckon mate? Is your Cayman guards red or another variant.

Kiwi Carguy

I couldn't agree more

Macca

Thanks guys. Was Jos choice actually. Neither of us are guards red fans unfortunately or else could have saved a further 4500 NZD! Still trying to convince her on white which is standard LOL! Actually what made me decide in the darker blood red was your car Jamie. Its the old Indian Red which is darker than the current version commonly known as guards. It looked good in that colour against the black wheels i thought. The digital pictures from the configurator are not very representative, look better in the pictures but teh car is still overall too high for me and the stance wrong so would look to have it lowered by 15mm (factory shocks should have height adjustment) before I land it...

O2GO

Macca it will be too quiet for you too! Heh

Macca

You are dead right of course. It comes standard with sports exhaust and those who have started the car (Jethro from EVO and some guy form Autocar) do proclaim its very loud but Its never going to sound like the 991 GT3 or even my 993....Perhaps I might have a Akropovic centre bypass exhaust fitted whilst in Europe as I have a mate well connected there. By the time delivery comes Im sure Sharkworks and others will have cheaper bypass pipes I can purchase and have sent over to Europe...

John McM

Macca, family event on so limited time to post. I'll PM you re GT4 to see what options etc are and costs.

While we think of that, Richard sent me this of his garage set up awaiting a certain Turbo 3.6. The last pic is my garage memorial