Any Rennlisters from New Zealand?
01-14-2015, 05:12 AM
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01-14-2015, 05:25 AM
Drifting
Very keen to know who the driver was. Maybe John remembers? Be good to get some pointers. The 991 GT3 seems to be around 1-1.05s faster per lap than the outgoing 997.2 GT3RS on the shorter European laps like Castelaine so Im thinking your guess is right. These guys must be awesome behind the wheel. Stu and I agreed a mid 1.12 is in the offering on street set up if I get some practice in and can start using the brakes properly (later and harder) and start to trust that the chassis can carry much more corner speed) but beyond that Id have no idea how you pick up a further 3+s deep into 997.1 Cup territory. Those guys just be lighter than Chris M :-)
Congrats David. She looks smart. Is that a bit of paint over-spray I see on the door handle gasket ;-P
Looks like a year of constantly changing garages. You snooze you loose. I still think the idea of renting a unit and collectively buying around 8-10 cars that we take collective custody and usage off has merit!
Congrats David. She looks smart. Is that a bit of paint over-spray I see on the door handle gasket ;-P
Looks like a year of constantly changing garages. You snooze you loose. I still think the idea of renting a unit and collectively buying around 8-10 cars that we take collective custody and usage off has merit!
01-14-2015, 06:16 AM
Three Wheelin'
Neil "racecar more fun than gt3..."
fit for purpose, that is the constant theme that is discovered over and over yet we all need to tread the path and find out for ourselves.
fit for purpose, that is the constant theme that is discovered over and over yet we all need to tread the path and find out for ourselves.
01-14-2015, 06:55 AM
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From what I can see Rob Alloway ran a GT3RS supported by International Motorsport in 2009/2010 season. If that is correct it would not have been a 997.2 gen model and from the information I can find on the internet if he ran a sub 1.11 it would have been in race tune. In 2010/11 season the GT3RS of Ian Hayr was running mid 1.11s. The following year (2011/12) the GT3 Cups were running mid 10s at HD.
in 2012/13 season Simon Gilbertsons best at HD was a 1.09.56 with Conal Dempsys LeMans car taking the then all time PCNZ Club record at 1.08.226. Tim James in the 996GT2 was managing PBs of 1.10.
I have to say Paul based on data up until this season its highly unlikely a road going and set up version of any GT3 model including RS Variants is capable of a 1.10 at HD today. Im happy to be proven wrong but all of Jon Warrings reports and the stats from the qualifying days suggest that at least in the world of the serious amateur its unlikely. That includes the 991 GT3. The LeMans special (ex lightening direct) that Conal managed a PB of around 1.08 in recently suggests that the is the pointy end of the stick for a 911 car with mega HP and aero.
in 2012/13 season Simon Gilbertsons best at HD was a 1.09.56 with Conal Dempsys LeMans car taking the then all time PCNZ Club record at 1.08.226. Tim James in the 996GT2 was managing PBs of 1.10.
I have to say Paul based on data up until this season its highly unlikely a road going and set up version of any GT3 model including RS Variants is capable of a 1.10 at HD today. Im happy to be proven wrong but all of Jon Warrings reports and the stats from the qualifying days suggest that at least in the world of the serious amateur its unlikely. That includes the 991 GT3. The LeMans special (ex lightening direct) that Conal managed a PB of around 1.08 in recently suggests that the is the pointy end of the stick for a 911 car with mega HP and aero.
01-14-2015, 07:13 AM
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From what I can see Rob Alloway ran a GT3RS supported by International Motorsport in 2009/2010 season. If that is correct it would not have been a 997.2 gen model and from the information I can find on the internet if he ran a sub 1.11 it would have been in race tune. In 2010/11 season the GT3RS of Ian Hayr was running mid 1.11s. The following year (2011/12) the GT3 Cups were running mid 10s at HD.
in 2012/13 season Simon Gilbertsons best at HD was a 1.09.56 with Conal Dempsys LeMans car taking the then all time PCNZ Club record at 1.08.226. Tim James in the 996GT2 was managing PBs of 1.10.
I have to say Paul based on data up until this season its highly unlikely a road going and set up version of any GT3 model including RS Variants is capable of a 1.10 at HD today. Im happy to be proven wrong but all of Jon Warrings reports and the stats from the qualifying days suggest that at least in the world of the serious amateur its unlikely. That includes the 991 GT3. The LeMans special (ex lightening direct) that Conal managed a PB of around 1.08 in recently suggests that the is the pointy end of the stick for a 911 car with mega HP and aero.
in 2012/13 season Simon Gilbertsons best at HD was a 1.09.56 with Conal Dempsys LeMans car taking the then all time PCNZ Club record at 1.08.226. Tim James in the 996GT2 was managing PBs of 1.10.
I have to say Paul based on data up until this season its highly unlikely a road going and set up version of any GT3 model including RS Variants is capable of a 1.10 at HD today. Im happy to be proven wrong but all of Jon Warrings reports and the stats from the qualifying days suggest that at least in the world of the serious amateur its unlikely. That includes the 991 GT3. The LeMans special (ex lightening direct) that Conal managed a PB of around 1.08 in recently suggests that the is the pointy end of the stick for a 911 car with mega HP and aero.
It makes for a good urban legend to put fear into GT3 owners........
Last edited by kiwi 911; 01-14-2015 at 07:36 AM.
01-14-2015, 09:28 AM
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Macca may know, but I recall reading an article about a year ago (I forget in which publication it was - perhaps "911 & Porsche World"), where a regular racer, in the 911 Cup I think, took a ride with Walter at the Nordschliefe. He learnt a few things from the Master.
Rohl said that most 911 racers get on and off the brakes too late and consequently get on the power even later. He said that more time can be saved in a 911 by getting on the power earlier than can be saved under brakes. He was advocating firm controlled braking earlier, getting off the brakes earlier and transition to full power earlier. Ultra-late, super-aggressive braking apparently delayed the controlled transition off the brakes and onto the throttle and also reduced the car's stability through unnecessarily aggressive & sudden weight transfer.
This chimes with Jackie Stewart's training that smoothing the weight transfer with controlled release of the brakes & pick-up of the throttle is essential to carrying maximun stablilty, traction & therefore speed through the apex. Jackie is on record as claiming that it was his nuanced technique for getting off the brakes & onto the throttle which he holds responsible for his F1 success. Sudden weight transfer will destablise a car & overcome the grip of the contact patch compared to a smooth approach at the same speed.
This is in contrast to the opinion of other 911 peddlers who claim that strong trail braking is the key to extracting the best performance.
Rohl said that most 911 racers get on and off the brakes too late and consequently get on the power even later. He said that more time can be saved in a 911 by getting on the power earlier than can be saved under brakes. He was advocating firm controlled braking earlier, getting off the brakes earlier and transition to full power earlier. Ultra-late, super-aggressive braking apparently delayed the controlled transition off the brakes and onto the throttle and also reduced the car's stability through unnecessarily aggressive & sudden weight transfer.
This chimes with Jackie Stewart's training that smoothing the weight transfer with controlled release of the brakes & pick-up of the throttle is essential to carrying maximun stablilty, traction & therefore speed through the apex. Jackie is on record as claiming that it was his nuanced technique for getting off the brakes & onto the throttle which he holds responsible for his F1 success. Sudden weight transfer will destablise a car & overcome the grip of the contact patch compared to a smooth approach at the same speed.
This is in contrast to the opinion of other 911 peddlers who claim that strong trail braking is the key to extracting the best performance.
01-14-2015, 01:27 PM
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01-14-2015, 02:29 PM
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Lend your car to Mendes (AKA 'RSG STIG') - he's a driving legend and will have a 1.10.XX in no time. (....never mind the lap time if you lent him the GT3 too......)
01-14-2015, 03:09 PM
And next event I'm aiming for an additional 2kg advantage!
Very keen to know who the driver was. Maybe John remembers? Be good to get some pointers. The 991 GT3 seems to be around 1-1.05s faster per lap than the outgoing 997.2 GT3RS on the shorter European laps like Castelaine so Im thinking your guess is right. These guys must be awesome behind the wheel. Stu and I agreed a mid 1.12 is in the offering on street set up if I get some practice in and can start using the brakes properly (later and harder) and start to trust that the chassis can carry much more corner speed) but beyond that Id have no idea how you pick up a further 3+s deep into 997.1 Cup territory. Those guys just be lighter than Chris M :-)
Congrats David. She looks smart. Is that a bit of paint over-spray I see on the door handle gasket ;-P
Looks like a year of constantly changing garages. You snooze you loose. I still think the idea of renting a unit and collectively buying around 8-10 cars that we take collective custody and usage off has merit!
Congrats David. She looks smart. Is that a bit of paint over-spray I see on the door handle gasket ;-P
Looks like a year of constantly changing garages. You snooze you loose. I still think the idea of renting a unit and collectively buying around 8-10 cars that we take collective custody and usage off has merit!
01-14-2015, 04:01 PM
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