wdb

My goal is to come in under the cost of a GT3. They don’t make those in targa.

Scrh1

Outside of purchase price …….A turbo is actually quite similar in costs and labor / similarity on parts. I would perhaps re arrange some of the spend but the total is quite similar….. The rub is the purchase price…

In todays market I would say a well sorted turbo ( miles less of a concern as long as you know the history and all major pipe welding / transmission/ turbos etc done ) would go for close to 60k. One that needs all the work would go for mid 40-50’s. I got lucky and bought one a year and a half ago for a decent price that I assumed needed a ton of work on the word of a colleague that I later discovered had near all the major work done already and then some …..

hope that helps. Happy to answer any questions on the 996 turbos or 996 c2.

Argeo

At what point is. Refresh required? My car T under 80 seems far from needing a refresh of anything.

Marv

I'm hoping this was written on a phone while driving on a bumpy road. I'm not clear on what you were trying to say.

pulpo

I'm guessing you mean Turbo under 80k miles?

I am of the opinion that you shouldn't tinker with anything that isn't broken.

But suspension components are probably a bit worn out after 80k.

Marv

These cars are 20 years old. I would imagine an engine refresh would be similar to a GT3, which is about $35K. Then there is all the "while you are in there" expenses. I have about $3K in my Ohlins R&T when you factor in alignment.

Even a good engine will suffer from rubber and plastic degeneration. Entropy is expensive on these cars.

bdronsick

Any $50k’s Mezger will be high-miles, or bad-carfax, or automatic, or convertible, and likely two or more of those last-out strikes combined

And that’s still twice what you could bottom fish a Mezger for only three years ago. Why not bottom fish a bad-carfax, high-miles, Cab-Tip, 964 in the $30k’s instead??

No free lunch by any stretch, but the 964 barrel has bottomed out substantively lower than any Mezger ever will!

GC996

Remember, the 996 is a 20 year old car, so rubber, plastic and even metal parts need to be replaced.

But an engine parts refresh is not a rebuild. It is the dropping of an engine and the replacement of key parts and performing procedures that everyone needs to do if they want their car to continue to run at peak performance. Some parts prevent the risk of catastrophic failure, while other parts just wear out and can leave you stranded on the side of the road until fixed.

You guys know the list of parts and costs. If not, rennlist threads will give you direction.

It's innevitable that the market will begin to factor in the cost of the parts and procedures that have been done or not done into the sale price of the 996. This is no different than the market for any other desireable 20 year or older classic sports car. Just the way markets evolve over time.

bdronsick

959 is a forty year old car, and nobody factors in the price of rubber

Unless rubber is five million dollars

GC996

I can only imagine the cost of maintaining it...

3/98 911 coupe

you will find the cars. Mine with 58k miles was $57. Car had just gone thru 60k mile service at porsche dealership. I bought the owner 14 years of ownership. Brand new michellins n2 and I got like almost 7k$ worth of performance parts. I stay away from the flippers and cars that have had too many owners. Also the gentleman I got the car from was 61 years old. You got to buy the seller. Last week one sold on bat for $58, with I believe 75k miles, non working spoiler, up and down not working on the passenger seat, car had mods gt3 parts. On mine after now having driven the car more than 2000 miles I believe I got a pretty good deal. I am still going to schedule with my mechanic to put the exhaust and headers on it, and just go over the car. I am putting a kN panel on it and the engine bay struts are a little weak so I’m going to fix that too. The market may weaken a bit but I honestly believe these mezgers are continue to in the future go up in value.

theprf

If you pay a shop to do this to a 996 Turbo it's probably in the range of $7k to remove the engine, weld up the coolant pipes, and replace every coolant hose in the engine bay. I have done this to both my 996 Turbo's and the parts cost is around $1500 in 2020 dollars; I did all the labor. With that you will be good to go for another 20 years.

GC996

Beautiful! Sounds like the cooling procedure is your version of the IMSB/RMS/AOS replacement procedure.

theprf

Possibly, except it's optional and you only need to do it once.

TheChunkNorris

Man I think I'd get one if I sold my C2 knowing what I know now.