I didn’t buy any of my watches as investments but it’s nice to see some of them more than 2X

 

There’s tons of data out there, but it all seems to boil down to around 3K each for both 993 & 996 Turbo (manual) coupes in US, and around 4K 997’s (Turbo manual coupes)

Yes that’s 3,000 each 993 & 996 (NOT 30,000!)

Even the 33% greater 997 production number is still tiny compared to recent Turbo production numbers; which are ALL automatics BTW

Anyone who still thinks the 996/997 Turbo manual coupe is patently not an extremely rare & collectible 911, is either incapable of reading, and/or doing first grade math

IE it’s not (just) the Mezger, it’s the production numbers!!

THIS is why Mezger manual coupes are ALL freaking soaring right now: the “invisible hand” favors rarity, whether the buyers even recognize it yet, or not. The “market” discerned there are the same number of 993 & 996 Turbo manual coupes before we even did, and is ultimately correcting itself

Amazing

 

Note sure what your point is on the 996 turbo will never be as much as the 997 turbo but it should catch up for sure.

Why? Because IMO the turbo was never a unloved car. Why does this matter? Because unloved cars get driven to DEATH, repaired poorly if at all. It becomes a supply issue at this point.

996 base model and the E36 M3 are on the exact same trajectory.

Base model 996 > 997 Base

Turbo 996 < Turbo 997

 

There are only 2/3 as many 996 Turbo manual coupes as 997 in the US

That ultimate rarity is irrevocably written on the wall; regardless which was originally more loved

But your point is well taken, and I would also remind that there were overall about 25K more 997 manufactured than 996 worldwide

996 is far less numerous than 997 regardless of flavor!

And 996 does offer some delicious flavors

 

Perhaps 997.1 Turbo > 996.2 Turbo. Don't forget the 997.2 Turbo dropped the Mezger engine for the new DFI architecture. 997.1 Turbo's have their own set of issues, too.

 

You mean 997.1 > 997.2 Turbo obviously

And yup, 997.2 Turbo is just a wet-sump street motor; not even comparable, on any level, to any Mezger

 

Yes, although I can't compare a 997.1 Turbo to a 996 Turbo as I haven't driven a 997.1 Turbo. So, perhaps a 997.1 Turbo is better than a 996 Turbo. I am not in a position to make that judgement.

 

The ones who want gas guzzling, visceral machines to tame will be looked on as outlaws and bandits like the old Wild West. Mark my words.

 

so 996 owners are safe?

 

Roy has arrived on the scene! Lock up the women and children!!

 

Just the women.

 

997.1 Turbocharged Mezgers are quite a bit more complex and stressed than 996 (MUCH more so than 993), and I believe they accordingly suffer from more problems

Not to even mention 997’s astronomically complicated “PASM” / “Sport Chrono” systems, etc., with highly sophisticated electronic and mechanical tentacles reaching into (and computer-controlling) almost every functioning intricacy of the 997 driving experience

Mezger GT1 racing block similarities aside, like stone age vs iron: purely from a technology perspective the 993/996 Turbos are relative dinosaurs compared to 997, and one man's dinosaur pile is another man's rare and simple gem

Trade offs

 

I appreciate your enthusiasm and as a 996TT owner I'm rooting to be able to drive my car for "free" as prices drift up. That being said, is your market data soley based on BaT? There seems to be a healthy disconnect from the auction sites and the other car sites. With regards to market pricing BaT has higher sales prices than Cars and Bids and PCarMarket and those seem to have much higher prices when compared to say Autotrader, CarGurus, AutoTempest etc.

There is then also an issue that some other forum posters have mentioned about "sold" cars on BaT not actually selling.

 

I agree that BAT prices seem inflated.. and their has been some issues with "sold" cars recently.. But if you search around the local sites like craigslist and facebook.. along with the big sites including the Autotraders and CarGurus.. you will notice that the inventory is no where near what it was pre covid.. and also that asking prices have increased on those Sites as well..

 

BaT gets the best 911's, PCAR gets the one's BaT cuts, and C&B gets PCAR's rejects ("reject" means assigned "No Reserve")

Autotrader, Cars, Gurus, etc. and of course FleaBay take ALL the rest