Consolidated 991RS thread
02-26-2015, 08:50 AM
#4966
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Two years ago at not long after March 2013 Geneva lamuch of 991 GT3, Goodwood AP told a UK pistonhead member in an off record conversation that 2500-3000 x 991 GT3 would be built. The conversation was documented on Pistonheads board. Despite the engine replacement stop sale today it indeed looks like around 3000 will have been built with approximately 50% going to the USA. Despite us all thinking the plan would change it did not and this is because there was a business case and supplier commitments sitting behind it. The suppliers would have damage penalties if the volume forecast was not reached as the pwrts prices would be elevated for shorter runs.
Today, March 2015 and nothing for the 991 GT3RS has changed IMO. They will also have made forecast on suppliers witha greed price per unit a long time ago.
Number like 600 are a). North America only number, b). someone else s speculation.
All IMO of course.
Today, March 2015 and nothing for the 991 GT3RS has changed IMO. They will also have made forecast on suppliers witha greed price per unit a long time ago.
Number like 600 are a). North America only number, b). someone else s speculation.
All IMO of course.
02-26-2015, 11:53 AM
#4973
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A bit of fun. This is my prediction for the future. It is not based on fact but there are some background conversations Ive been privy to that would indicate its not as far fetched as it would sound, and infact I believe we may hear some more about some of these ideas sooner than later:
Firstly. Special editions. For the 991 series these have been to date almost no existent. A 50th anniversary model.
Recent history tells us that "Special editions" tend to come in the latter half of a product cycle. Think 3.2 Carrera (Clubsport), 930 (Supersport), 993 (GT2Evo, TurboS), 997 (Speedster, Sport Classic, 4.0RS).
My prediction is that in 2017 we will see a raft of 991.2 body shaped derivatives special editions prior to the introduction of the 991 replacement. These will culminate with the Porsche GT3 4.2L RS
The 4.2K RS will be promoted as an "emotional icon". A feel good car harking back to historic references. This will be of course to counter the slower acceleration speeds of the 6 speed gearbox developed specifically for this run of 1563 cars (the number of 2.7RS chassis build in '72/73 - or something similar). The car will weigh in at 1375 Kg a real "lightweight" for a modern Porsche. The 4.2 GT3RS will be the end point for the GT3 product for PAG, the racing program will move to 960/FeFi platform in 2020
Maybe Im just dreaming. Would be a fun notion thi...:-)
Firstly. Special editions. For the 991 series these have been to date almost no existent. A 50th anniversary model.
Recent history tells us that "Special editions" tend to come in the latter half of a product cycle. Think 3.2 Carrera (Clubsport), 930 (Supersport), 993 (GT2Evo, TurboS), 997 (Speedster, Sport Classic, 4.0RS).
My prediction is that in 2017 we will see a raft of 991.2 body shaped derivatives special editions prior to the introduction of the 991 replacement. These will culminate with the Porsche GT3 4.2L RS
The 4.2K RS will be promoted as an "emotional icon". A feel good car harking back to historic references. This will be of course to counter the slower acceleration speeds of the 6 speed gearbox developed specifically for this run of 1563 cars (the number of 2.7RS chassis build in '72/73 - or something similar). The car will weigh in at 1375 Kg a real "lightweight" for a modern Porsche. The 4.2 GT3RS will be the end point for the GT3 product for PAG, the racing program will move to 960/FeFi platform in 2020
Maybe Im just dreaming. Would be a fun notion thi...:-)
02-26-2015, 12:46 PM
#4975
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I believe it is selfish and mean spirited if you want Porsche to limit the supply of certain models, It is my hope that all of us who want one can get one, I don't care about collectibility and future values. This is a toy for all of us to play with and enjoy. To me we are Porsche People and love cars to drive and for what they are and not art objects like Ferrari people (no offense to the cool Ferrari people)
02-26-2015, 01:18 PM
#4976
A bit of fun. This is my prediction for the future. It is not based on fact but there are some background conversations Ive been privy to that would indicate its not as far fetched as it would sound, and infact I believe we may hear some more about some of these ideas sooner than later...The 4.2 GT3RS will be the end point for the GT3 product for PAG, the racing program will move to 960/FeFi platform in 2020[/B]
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
02-26-2015, 01:20 PM
#4977
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I still like Enzo's logic. One less than the market will bear. Only one guy gets screwed and he still gets the opportunity to buy one at a later date.
02-26-2015, 01:22 PM
#4978
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The privilege to be in the 918 VIP program disappears the moment you sell it. It's benefits are reserved only to the original owner of the 918...and it doesn't follow to the next owner! It was an incentive to sell the original batch of 918 cars. But it's not meant to stay attached to the car...it's attached to the original owner (who helped Porsche achieved that sales goal) for as long as he owns that 918.
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
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Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
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Not to belabor the point any more, but one last thought on this. If the corporate entity (i.e. Porsche of New York, for example) holds title and registration to the 918, and Joe Smith comes and buys (not the 918) but the actual dealership, Porsche of New York, I would imagine technically (and perhaps even legally) speaking the original owner of the the 918 (Porsche of New York) has not sold the car.
So, if all of the above holds, then Joe Smith (the new owner of Porsche of New York) owns indirectly the title to the 918. And if PAG were to invite all the owners of the 918 to a VIP sponsored event (i.e., a private cocktail party to introduce and test drive the RS), then I suppose in our pedantic example the only person who could go in this instance is Joe Smith, because a corporation like a dealership cannot.
All academic of course, because even if all that were true, I can't imagine someone out there so filthy wealthy, bored, and desperate for an RS as to actually buy a dealership just to get an RS allocation spot.
02-26-2015, 01:29 PM
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02-26-2015, 01:49 PM
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My prediction is that in 2017 we will see a raft of 991.2 body shaped derivatives special editions prior to the introduction of the 991 replacement. These will culminate with the Porsche GT3 4.2L RS
The 4.2K RS will be promoted as an "emotional icon". A feel good car harking back to historic references. This will be of course to counter the slower acceleration speeds of the 6 speed gearbox developed specifically for this run of 1563 cars (the number of 2.7RS chassis build in '72/73 - or something similar). The car will weigh in at 1375 Kg a real "lightweight" for a modern Porsche. The 4.2 GT3RS will be the end point for the GT3 product for PAG, the racing program will move to 960/FeFi platform in 2020
Maybe Im just dreaming. Would be a fun notion thi...:-)
The 4.2K RS will be promoted as an "emotional icon". A feel good car harking back to historic references. This will be of course to counter the slower acceleration speeds of the 6 speed gearbox developed specifically for this run of 1563 cars (the number of 2.7RS chassis build in '72/73 - or something similar). The car will weigh in at 1375 Kg a real "lightweight" for a modern Porsche. The 4.2 GT3RS will be the end point for the GT3 product for PAG, the racing program will move to 960/FeFi platform in 2020
Maybe Im just dreaming. Would be a fun notion thi...:-)
The key issue is mating the right manual and making the numbers work, because for Porsche the numbers always have to work. Pretty clear that most wouldn't be happy with the 9A1-based 7MT on a GT3 in current spec. Of course they're Porsche so we know they can if they want. Tick tock.
But then again, I'm a little biased.....