kiwi 911

Hmmmm 997 GT3, my next Pcar move??

993 Targa

I think a 570S would be a better buy and even then better to wait for the Spyder version. McLaren are making big leaps every revision right now, great for improvements, terrible for re-sale value.

peterC2S

I'd echo Graeme's comments. They'll be fine most of the time and then you'll forget they're on, it'll be wet and you'll have a 'moment'.

Others may rate them on track but I reckon they are horrible even in the damp. Track is a lot more slippery than the road with rubber down but no way I'd want them on my car if it was wet.

Macca

570 S is apparently best bang for buck and very good. Probably around same price as 991T. Know a few folks just taken delivery 675LT. These are guys with multiple cars. They say it's the best car in their fleet (P1, 991 RS,RS4.0, CGT etc). I think MaClaren have come a very long way in this new generation. They are finally starting to make best of breed product. In 5 years time no one will touch them. Love the NZ connotations too, lack of new money stigma (most people wouldn't know what they were and would believe they were Japanese if you told them). Who couldn't like the car with their factory emblem being a kiwi? Sales must have bombed in Australia lol!

Buba. go 7.2 gen GT3. Performance delta would be underwhelming otherwise although step up in aesthetics and interior build quality sure...

nzskater

991.1 Turbo S was about $440 retail wasn't it? The one in Giltrap has been sitting for a while at $369 - only done a few 100 kms I think, maybe 1000? A lot of car for the money, but much more aggressive depreciation than the cheaper GT3.

McLaren make exceptional metal - and is great to see their foothold in the market growing at the pace it has been. Wish I saw more of them on the road (and in my garage!!).

Macca

Heck I think you are right! Dependant on PAGs "downunder tax" the face lift could end up being closer 480k! I'd definitely be looking closely at the 570S then if I were in that market...

Macca

With Turbos the killer has always been depreciation. Even today a 3.6 T is cheaper by far than its original sales price (inflation adjusted). Not sure that they were new in 1994 in NZ but assume 280k optioned up and add 20 years CPI....and they would be well over 550k today?

Same goes for most metal in NZ. 993/964 RS etc still all well below their CPI adjusted new delivery price. Which is why cars like 2.7RS & 4.0 RS are really some of the few who's resale value used on the NZ market is actually ahead of their list price!

I know someone in France just traded their 991TTS 2014 on 2014 GT3 with 9000 km and had to actually pay 30k Euro to change out! gT3 used prices in much of Europe around 30+% over original list TTS prices 40% under.

Traditionally/historically turbos have been the fastest depreciating Porsches until they hit the 20+ year mark...

nzskater

Well, I hope the trend continues! I'd happily pickup a 991 Turbo S after it has rapidly depreciated and the owner has invested in a GT3

We need to get a McLaren owner involved who's keen to bring some new metal out on an RSG day - would love to try chase one around the track.

Macca

I think its pretty rare for new Turbo buyers to move to new GT3 unless they are doing alot of track work. New Turbo is a better road car. Often it works in reverse. They hear all about how great the new GT3 is, buy it then realize its comprised for weekend drives and DD. They then trade it within 12 months on a new Turbo. I only know one exception and that was Ron. He was very concerned the GT3 would not be right for him and was particularly interested in how we found it as a road car before he would order one himself. I think hes getting in the groove with the GT3 now but wouldnt be surprised to see him in a turbo again in the future....

It would be great to have a McLaren on the track with us. Ive signed up for PLaydays Prestige on 9 Jan with the hope of finding one in the wild to play with. Unfortunately I think that will be the end of my tyres. If so Ill bring the 993 on the 11th as I want to keep my new set of MPSC2 for SITT (where they will probably die over the course of the touring and track events).

nzskater

It's hard seeing the set of MPSC2 sitting on the shelf every time I jump in the car. Sorely tempted to put them on but the MPSS should last through until the end of Feb. Will know by the end of the next track day.

Pel

Don't feel too bad, I've got 10 year old bridgestone r comp with flat spots that will take your fillings out. Have some new Yokohama's waiting at Tyre City but want the SC under 1:20.5 as reward for fitting.

Pel

Air cooled group looks like fun for RSG, lotta 964s, no 993s though

Macca

"Collectors cars" now :-(

kiwi 911

Too dangerous for a 993 - too many mobile road cones (964's) on the track??

Macca

Good luck with that. But 10 year old R comps cant be particularly safe?