Any Rennlisters from New Zealand?
Rennlist Member
On another note, GT6 is bringing up so interesting pointers. Left foot braking is the go there as is sawing the steering wheel through corners. I wondered if it was a game glitch but it reminds me of Steve's cornering. Why does a constant held turn run wide off the track whereas a wheel turn against the corner with adjustment afterwards make it around? It reminds me of a technique with windsurfers where a momentary turn against the direction sets it up for the turn into the corner.
Instructor
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posts: 232
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/f...231&mid=435756 it started off well but there are evidently a few personalities in there.
CCS is tomorrow morning. I'll leave the car there and pick it up after work.
CCS is tomorrow morning. I'll leave the car there and pick it up after work.
How did alignment go? Do you have a spec sheet you can post up? Would be interested to see before and after specs.
Rennlist Member
Burning Brakes
Such is life.
Bits should arrive this week but keen to bust my cherry.
Three Wheelin'
On another note, GT6 is bringing up so interesting pointers. Left foot braking is the go there as is sawing the steering wheel through corners. I wondered if it was a game glitch but it reminds me of Steve's cornering. Why does a constant held turn run wide off the track whereas a wheel turn against the corner with adjustment afterwards make it around? It reminds me of a technique with windsurfers where a momentary turn against the direction sets it up for the turn into the corner.
Drifting
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posts: 2,373
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Jason, long shot. Would you have room on any of your ships for a few boxes of clothes, linen and food for Vanuatu? We have filled the container and they've stopped taking stuff from us. Meanwhile people keep dropping stuff off at my place which now cant go up to Vanuatu unless they get another container organised and funded.
Instructor
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posts: 232
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Chris, alignment done. More camber up front and a few measurements brought back into tolerance, mainly right front toe. However, they weren't that far off to call anything a game changer. $138 bill, including the free wash is good value, if for no other reason than I now know it's all correct. Another bonus was seeing a White Spyder up close.
There was also lots of toe in in the rear at 4+mm, good to see you dialled that back. Who chose the 2.8mm for final rear toe?
Also Isn't front tow side to side more just a steering wheel centering issue and total toe is what's more important, as if you turn or not centre the steering wheel accurately it will alter the side to side toe?
Wonder why the caster was out side to side and they didn't adjust it?
All good though look forward to playing with alignment a bit to see what works best for road and track.
Cheers for the info
Rennlist Member
Sorry just saw this John, was that maxing out camber adjustment? So just over 1deg in the front and 1.5 rear. There was also lots of toe in in the rear at 4+mm, good to see you dialled that back. Who chose the 2.8mm for final rear toe? Also Isn't front tow side to side more just a steering wheel centering issue and total toe is what's more important, as if you turn or not centre the steering wheel accurately it will alter the side to side toe? Wonder why the caster was out side to side and they didn't adjust it? All good though look forward to playing with alignment a bit to see what works best for road and track. Cheers for the info
Burning Brakes
Jason, long shot. Would you have room on any of your ships for a few boxes of clothes, linen and food for Vanuatu? We have filled the container and they've stopped taking stuff from us. Meanwhile people keep dropping stuff off at my place which now cant go up to Vanuatu unless they get another container organised and funded.
Talking about coincidences.... I had to have my infection drained in Queenstown the morning we were to drive to Timaru on the SITT. Wasn't able to drive really so Dave Allison kindly drove me in my car to Timaru, in convoy with Robert, Luke and Les. We drove into the motel that Les had booked for them and it turns out to be the same motel that I'd booked into... My booking made at least four months previously. And we had been allocated rooms next to each other. Timaru has a very large number of motels.
GT6 is bringing up so interesting pointers. Left foot braking is the go there as is sawing the steering wheel through corners. I wondered if it was a game glitch but it reminds me of Steve's cornering. Why does a constant held turn run wide off the track whereas a wheel turn against the corner with adjustment afterwards make it around? It reminds me of a technique with windsurfers where a momentary turn against the direction sets it up for the turn into the corner.
Here's my take on the sawing. As Graeme pointed out, single seater drivers don't saw often and I'd say this is because hard suspension on a smooth consistent surface allows them to find and drive the ideal grip-slip limit with much more precision than is available to drivers on a loose surface in a rally car, or even those on a circuit in a softer sprung saloon like our 2Kcuppers. Single seaters are also less forgiving and harder to recover when they get loose so there's potentially more to lose and less to gain. Even with saloons or rally, I'd think few would saw the wheel for the hell of it (I did know one club racer who always did on gravel, even on straights) but I suspect most do it to either pre-empt the back stepping out (like reducing the steering angle momentarily when running a kerb or crest) or to gather the car back in the moment a slide starts. Or else to recover from understeer/oversteer on corner entry or mismatched revs on a mid-corner downshift (sometimes needed when racing, eg if speed has been lost through understeering wide). When cornering at the limit, pretty much by definition the car is going to get livelier and yaw around much more than it would at 9 tenths so the steering wheel will be busier. There'll be more to it though, I'm sure. If deliberately sawing the wheel has you cornering faster in GT6 and the game physics are correct then maybe it works like the steering equivalent of cadence braking with a rapid grip-turn-slip-unwind-grip-turn-slip-unwind cycle being more effective than a steadier state?
Rennlist Member
http://www.trademe.co.nz/a.aspx?id=863429880
Too expensive, the one that came up a few weeks ago was a bargain, this is 30% overpriced.
Too expensive, the one that came up a few weeks ago was a bargain, this is 30% overpriced.
Rennlist Member
The car equivalent of that windsurfer technique is the scandinavian flick, which brings the back around with greater momentum, rotating the car early and allowing more speed to be carried through tight turns. Here's my take on the sawing. As Graeme pointed out, single seater drivers don't saw often and I'd say this is because hard suspension on a smooth consistent surface allows them to find and drive the ideal grip-slip limit with much more precision than is available to drivers on a loose surface in a rally car, or even those on a circuit in a softer sprung saloon like our 2Kcuppers. Single seaters are also less forgiving and harder to recover when they get loose so there's potentially more to lose and less to gain. Even with saloons or rally, I'd think few would saw the wheel for the hell of it (I did know one club racer who always did on gravel, even on straights) but I suspect most do it to either pre-empt the back stepping out (like reducing the steering angle momentarily when running a kerb or crest) or to gather the car back in the moment a slide starts. Or else to recover from understeer/oversteer on corner entry or mismatched revs on a mid-corner downshift (sometimes needed when racing, eg if speed has been lost through understeering wide). When cornering at the limit, pretty much by definition the car is going to get livelier and yaw around much more than it would at 9 tenths so the steering wheel will be busier. There'll be more to it though, I'm sure. If deliberately sawing the wheel has you cornering faster in GT6 and the game physics are correct then maybe it works like the steering equivalent of cadence braking with a rapid grip-turn-slip-unwind-grip-turn-slip-unwind cycle being more effective than a steadier state?