Any Rennlisters from New Zealand?
09-10-2014, 06:41 AM
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Paul - that is a dangerous mood you are getting into when you post cars like that. All very nice of course.
On more urgent matters I went to inspect my car on the dyno this afternoon thinking it would be all sorted and on the trailer tomorrow after a few minor things like new front pads and a wheel alignment. bad news though after a few gentle set up pulls they then pulled through to 7500 and there is some clutch slippage which gets worse as the heat builds.
clutch had just been refurbed with a new clutch plate and increased pressure so something must be not quite right.
So back to the workshop and engine needs to be extracted tonight and clutch sent back to the shop that did it (reputable specialist firm that does this for race cars). Hoping for a fix by early afternoon tomorrow, dyno late afternoon or early evening.
Still hoping to make Taupo but possible manfield only. If I make Taupo it will be a very late arrival.
Will update and call or sms Pete, John or Doug early afternoon - who ever I can get as you may be on the road driving.
Wish me luck
On more urgent matters I went to inspect my car on the dyno this afternoon thinking it would be all sorted and on the trailer tomorrow after a few minor things like new front pads and a wheel alignment. bad news though after a few gentle set up pulls they then pulled through to 7500 and there is some clutch slippage which gets worse as the heat builds.
clutch had just been refurbed with a new clutch plate and increased pressure so something must be not quite right.
So back to the workshop and engine needs to be extracted tonight and clutch sent back to the shop that did it (reputable specialist firm that does this for race cars). Hoping for a fix by early afternoon tomorrow, dyno late afternoon or early evening.
Still hoping to make Taupo but possible manfield only. If I make Taupo it will be a very late arrival.
Will update and call or sms Pete, John or Doug early afternoon - who ever I can get as you may be on the road driving.
Wish me luck
I just handed it back this avo. The list of works too big and too long.
09-10-2014, 06:41 AM
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That car stunned me everytime I saw it.
09-10-2014, 06:41 AM
...So back to the workshop and engine needs to be extracted tonight and clutch sent back to the shop that did it (reputable specialist firm that does this for race cars). Hoping for a fix by early afternoon tomorrow, dyno late afternoon or early evening.
Still hoping to make Taupo but possible manfield only. If I make Taupo it will be a very late arrival.
Will update and call or sms Pete, John or Doug early afternoon - who ever I can get as you may be on the road driving.
Wish me luck
Still hoping to make Taupo but possible manfield only. If I make Taupo it will be a very late arrival.
Will update and call or sms Pete, John or Doug early afternoon - who ever I can get as you may be on the road driving.
Wish me luck
09-10-2014, 06:45 AM
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Not sure but I don't think so.
09-10-2014, 06:48 AM
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I sure I saw this car down at MotorScience couple of weeks ago. Very eye catching. I'm pretty sure I saw it also at Galaxy of Cars at Western Spring in February
09-10-2014, 06:51 AM
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That'd be right. Last time I saw it was down south. Listed on TM a year or two back for $32k I think?
I paid $27k for it 14 years ago and traded it for $30k at Archibalds in CHCH for my first 993 which I paid $95k for approximately 11 years ago and sold that for around $92k 2.5 years later. Just to give you all some price comparisons then and now.
I paid $27k for it 14 years ago and traded it for $30k at Archibalds in CHCH for my first 993 which I paid $95k for approximately 11 years ago and sold that for around $92k 2.5 years later. Just to give you all some price comparisons then and now.
09-10-2014, 06:54 AM
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I am loading up the car with CD's and practicing being a mobile road cone for John
James - it would be interesting to see what your car sold for in the late 70's and early 80's.
I can remember SC's cost about $100K new in the early 80's. I recall seeing a used 930 for 135K in 1982 (about 3 x the value of my parents house at the time.....)
09-10-2014, 07:19 AM
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09-10-2014, 07:26 AM
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So has the white 993 above... after my ownership. Shame as it was a tidy example when I owned it.
Accidents are an interesting one with cars around 30+ years old its actually probably rarer to find one that hasn't had a fender bender and people cringe yet a mint long hood with a decent repair will still have people selling their left nut to buy it as much as we go oooow accident damaged.
09-10-2014, 07:31 AM
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Its also been to Aussie and back.
So has the white 993 above... after my ownership. Shame as it was a tidy example when I owned it.
Accidents are an interesting one with cars around 30+ years old its actually probably rarer to find one that hasn't had a fender bender and people cringe yet a mint long hood with a decent repair will still have people selling their left nut to buy it as much as we go oooow accident damaged.
So has the white 993 above... after my ownership. Shame as it was a tidy example when I owned it.
Accidents are an interesting one with cars around 30+ years old its actually probably rarer to find one that hasn't had a fender bender and people cringe yet a mint long hood with a decent repair will still have people selling their left nut to buy it as much as we go oooow accident damaged.
09-10-2014, 07:31 AM
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Graeme. Sorry to hear your woes. Its always the same with these things no matter how much time or prep you have done its always down to teh wire it would seem, Fustrating.
I got bored today (my cars are all ready to go!). So I took a brand new M3 out for a drive. Below is an email I wrote tonight for a mate who has one (hes about to trade it in on a X5 50iM as his wife doesnt get on with it). Tom has a 991 GT3 and a 458 Speciale in the garage and his DD is one of my all modern day favourites the 1M (which I wish I had have bought new ex UK in 2011 but waited too long and missed out). Here is my whole email wholesale (sorry about that but too late and tired to edit):
Was about to email you re the M3. Took one for a quick test drive today. Same colour exterior as yours – Yas marine Blue - standard NZ spec (very high basically everything as standard except the LED headlights, the Ceramics and the sun blinds). I drove my GT3 the long way to the dealer so I could hop out of one and into the other. Wasn’t a very comprehensive test drive as it was late afternoon and the traffic was starting to build and I only spent an hour driving the car.
My thoughts? I was surprisingly underwhelmed! I guess getting out of a firmly suspended GT3 driven in manual + sport Auto means the M3 seemed plush and compliant in comparison (had adaptive suspension - I drove a little in comfort but most in Sport didn get to try the Sport Plus). I have to qualify my thoughts and I have been driving around 1000km the last 3 days in my 993 (very raw makes the GT3 seem a bit comfortable). Heaps of torque but I felt the steering lacked feedback. The engine sounded fairly mute to me in the interior and winding the window down didn’t help. It had some urgency but with ESC on slipped a rear when even cornering 7/10th on inner city roads. i drove almost all in manual mode as the auto was programmed for economy in the mode I used. Build quality seemed ok. I wasn’t a big fan of the narrow window band (I’m just over 6’1 and although visibility was generous enough you see the inside of the front bonnet at the bottom of the window screen (not well thought out) and it did feel a bit pillar box like – the hump on the bonnet probably doesn’t help. The HU display isn’t readable with polarised glasses (the only type I drive with). WAY too many buttons in the interior. The stop start function annoys the crap out of me – I was told I need to turn that off each time I start the car but Im sue it can be configured otherwise. Seating position was good and chair was comfortable. Interior OK but not a big fan of that LCH sticking up over the dash – I like to see all my dash real estate in a car personally. The DCT control confused me – Ive never owned a DCT box BMW so Ill put that down to lack of familiarity but it seemed to lack a sport auto function although Im sure that can be configured through the M buttons. Steering wheel seemed small and felt too thick. Lights for tacho (ones that follow the needle) see rather bling and unnecessary. The cabin architecture was ok but not startling (NZ car comes standard with CF trim etc). Brakes were fine but very grabby at low speed (car had only 160km on it and was delivered new yesterday). Colour was better than I expected (fine metallic grain means it looks like a flat colour from 1m+). NZ standard on 19” with MPSS tyres – all felt fine. Just not the level of feedback or involvement as in the GT3 and although I know its good for 4.1s it didn’t feel scalpel sharp more like a blunt torque laden bludging tool. I know Im being incredibly hard and critical, it is after all a 1500kg+ 4 door sedan, but where as my 400lbft 5.0L e39 6spd M5 felt remarkably nibble for such a big heavy car and had a wonderful soundtrack with a real feel of delicacy to the controls (which I never expected) the M3 actually seemed a bit more benign than its packaging suggested IMO. Granted I don’t have the seat time and confidence in it as I do with my GT3 which I can throw around now with utter confidence in its chassis, handling and performance and I may go back for another go after our track tour and take it for a longer back road drive to better understand it but I cant help thinking as I sat in the used 1M next to it after the drive (simplistic interior and seats, lack of buttons and bull****, no need to hit 5 buttons to set up before driving, manual control and old school suspension etc) that it was one step to far for me. If the M2 is just a smaller version of the M3 it probably wont interest me – Im not even enamoured enough by the shape (actually thought the 1M had more curve and muscle). I guess the overwhelming thing for me was the lack of character – they engineered it into the GT3 even with the paddle box (plenty of flywheel chatter, driveline shunt, whirs and whistles etc). Actually the best looking BMW on the lot was by far the latest X5! BMW styling is still struggling IMO.
Onto the X5 – good move! Love the look and it is what the wrapper says. The 5.0L litre eight is a great lump with plenty of torque which suits the car. At least when you drive this one you are actually in awe of the power and handling of such a large high vehicle and it has a character of its own. The M3 didn’t do that for me.
Good move on the GT86 cup. Im very interested to follow you here. I was looking into this myself and if I were living more time in NZ would be signing up as the cars here are relatively cheap (89K NZD) and look pretty good (tad underpowered and overweight even at 1200kg for the TR86 version). But I like one make series and this is the place to learn racecraft if you missed out on carts as a kid and Formula Ford. Please keep me posted Im keen to follow you on this…..
Here is the blurb on our local variant – looks pretty similar to yours – brake package and cooling are no doubt different and we use the Motec Dash Data Logger (which you may do too).
http://www.toyota.co.nz/our-range/86...cations/tr-86/
So the M3 is out for me. Ill give it a longer drive just to make sure but my *** has never let me down on a first impression. First drive of an E30 M3 I had I just loved it and actually first drive of the E36 M3 I loved that car too (engine sound, light steering with feedback). Funny enough I took a brand new E46 M3 Demo out for a test run in 2000 after just buying the 993 – turned up with it to the dealer and the sales guy who went for a drive with me couldn’t stop going on about how great the 993 was and how he supported a Porsche race car in his weekends for a racer mate and how great they were etc. Did little to enamour me to the M3, although I did enough the first drive more than this latest one (it was manual and still had a nice revvy 6 pot). I never drove a E93 M3 or any M3 with DCT so cant comment there. Maybe Im just odd…but after driving a 458 Speciale and 1M you must get into the M3 and surely find something significantly missing?
So onto the M2 and/or Cayman "GT4" when they arrive in 2015...
Bloody hell this turned out to be a long email! Ha ha
I got bored today (my cars are all ready to go!). So I took a brand new M3 out for a drive. Below is an email I wrote tonight for a mate who has one (hes about to trade it in on a X5 50iM as his wife doesnt get on with it). Tom has a 991 GT3 and a 458 Speciale in the garage and his DD is one of my all modern day favourites the 1M (which I wish I had have bought new ex UK in 2011 but waited too long and missed out). Here is my whole email wholesale (sorry about that but too late and tired to edit):
Was about to email you re the M3. Took one for a quick test drive today. Same colour exterior as yours – Yas marine Blue - standard NZ spec (very high basically everything as standard except the LED headlights, the Ceramics and the sun blinds). I drove my GT3 the long way to the dealer so I could hop out of one and into the other. Wasn’t a very comprehensive test drive as it was late afternoon and the traffic was starting to build and I only spent an hour driving the car.
My thoughts? I was surprisingly underwhelmed! I guess getting out of a firmly suspended GT3 driven in manual + sport Auto means the M3 seemed plush and compliant in comparison (had adaptive suspension - I drove a little in comfort but most in Sport didn get to try the Sport Plus). I have to qualify my thoughts and I have been driving around 1000km the last 3 days in my 993 (very raw makes the GT3 seem a bit comfortable). Heaps of torque but I felt the steering lacked feedback. The engine sounded fairly mute to me in the interior and winding the window down didn’t help. It had some urgency but with ESC on slipped a rear when even cornering 7/10th on inner city roads. i drove almost all in manual mode as the auto was programmed for economy in the mode I used. Build quality seemed ok. I wasn’t a big fan of the narrow window band (I’m just over 6’1 and although visibility was generous enough you see the inside of the front bonnet at the bottom of the window screen (not well thought out) and it did feel a bit pillar box like – the hump on the bonnet probably doesn’t help. The HU display isn’t readable with polarised glasses (the only type I drive with). WAY too many buttons in the interior. The stop start function annoys the crap out of me – I was told I need to turn that off each time I start the car but Im sue it can be configured otherwise. Seating position was good and chair was comfortable. Interior OK but not a big fan of that LCH sticking up over the dash – I like to see all my dash real estate in a car personally. The DCT control confused me – Ive never owned a DCT box BMW so Ill put that down to lack of familiarity but it seemed to lack a sport auto function although Im sure that can be configured through the M buttons. Steering wheel seemed small and felt too thick. Lights for tacho (ones that follow the needle) see rather bling and unnecessary. The cabin architecture was ok but not startling (NZ car comes standard with CF trim etc). Brakes were fine but very grabby at low speed (car had only 160km on it and was delivered new yesterday). Colour was better than I expected (fine metallic grain means it looks like a flat colour from 1m+). NZ standard on 19” with MPSS tyres – all felt fine. Just not the level of feedback or involvement as in the GT3 and although I know its good for 4.1s it didn’t feel scalpel sharp more like a blunt torque laden bludging tool. I know Im being incredibly hard and critical, it is after all a 1500kg+ 4 door sedan, but where as my 400lbft 5.0L e39 6spd M5 felt remarkably nibble for such a big heavy car and had a wonderful soundtrack with a real feel of delicacy to the controls (which I never expected) the M3 actually seemed a bit more benign than its packaging suggested IMO. Granted I don’t have the seat time and confidence in it as I do with my GT3 which I can throw around now with utter confidence in its chassis, handling and performance and I may go back for another go after our track tour and take it for a longer back road drive to better understand it but I cant help thinking as I sat in the used 1M next to it after the drive (simplistic interior and seats, lack of buttons and bull****, no need to hit 5 buttons to set up before driving, manual control and old school suspension etc) that it was one step to far for me. If the M2 is just a smaller version of the M3 it probably wont interest me – Im not even enamoured enough by the shape (actually thought the 1M had more curve and muscle). I guess the overwhelming thing for me was the lack of character – they engineered it into the GT3 even with the paddle box (plenty of flywheel chatter, driveline shunt, whirs and whistles etc). Actually the best looking BMW on the lot was by far the latest X5! BMW styling is still struggling IMO.
Onto the X5 – good move! Love the look and it is what the wrapper says. The 5.0L litre eight is a great lump with plenty of torque which suits the car. At least when you drive this one you are actually in awe of the power and handling of such a large high vehicle and it has a character of its own. The M3 didn’t do that for me.
Good move on the GT86 cup. Im very interested to follow you here. I was looking into this myself and if I were living more time in NZ would be signing up as the cars here are relatively cheap (89K NZD) and look pretty good (tad underpowered and overweight even at 1200kg for the TR86 version). But I like one make series and this is the place to learn racecraft if you missed out on carts as a kid and Formula Ford. Please keep me posted Im keen to follow you on this…..
Here is the blurb on our local variant – looks pretty similar to yours – brake package and cooling are no doubt different and we use the Motec Dash Data Logger (which you may do too).
http://www.toyota.co.nz/our-range/86...cations/tr-86/
So the M3 is out for me. Ill give it a longer drive just to make sure but my *** has never let me down on a first impression. First drive of an E30 M3 I had I just loved it and actually first drive of the E36 M3 I loved that car too (engine sound, light steering with feedback). Funny enough I took a brand new E46 M3 Demo out for a test run in 2000 after just buying the 993 – turned up with it to the dealer and the sales guy who went for a drive with me couldn’t stop going on about how great the 993 was and how he supported a Porsche race car in his weekends for a racer mate and how great they were etc. Did little to enamour me to the M3, although I did enough the first drive more than this latest one (it was manual and still had a nice revvy 6 pot). I never drove a E93 M3 or any M3 with DCT so cant comment there. Maybe Im just odd…but after driving a 458 Speciale and 1M you must get into the M3 and surely find something significantly missing?
So onto the M2 and/or Cayman "GT4" when they arrive in 2015...
Bloody hell this turned out to be a long email! Ha ha
09-10-2014, 07:40 AM
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Its also been to Aussie and back.
So has the white 993 above... after my ownership. Shame as it was a tidy example when I owned it.
Accidents are an interesting one with cars around 30+ years old its actually probably rarer to find one that hasn't had a fender bender and people cringe yet a mint long hood with a decent repair will still have people selling their left nut to buy it as much as we go oooow accident damaged.
So has the white 993 above... after my ownership. Shame as it was a tidy example when I owned it.
Accidents are an interesting one with cars around 30+ years old its actually probably rarer to find one that hasn't had a fender bender and people cringe yet a mint long hood with a decent repair will still have people selling their left nut to buy it as much as we go oooow accident damaged.
The white 993 was a real nice example with factory LSD and some tasteful and well thought out factory upgrades - including the bespoke suspension Jamie had fitted and one of only a few white C2s in NZ. Of all your cars to date mate that was my favourite (not biased ha ha). I think we both bought front engined Porsches about the same time as each other and fell out of love with them about the same time too (or maybe it was just me that was underwhelmed)....