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Old 07-17-2014, 03:27 PM
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^^^^^^^Yeah, well you know, I could drive down in a boring bmw, being Porscheless and all. My track drive for the day is already parked up down there.....
Old 07-17-2014, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Maxem
^^^^^^^Yeah, well you know, I could drive down in a boring bmw, being Porscheless and all. My track drive for the day is already parked up down there.....
David. Meet me at my storage unit tomorrow morning and done deal. Im need run in Kms on the GT3 (managed only 300 so far too busy). Call me on my NZ mobile. If you dont have it Ill email you.
Old 07-17-2014, 04:20 PM
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P.S. Dean dropping speedster engine with Kip Colvey tomorrow at Precision (Bretts silver speedster there) so he cant help unfortunately...
Old 07-17-2014, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by sp1ked
That is a shocking photo. Saw it and cringed. Blue and blue isn't my favourite colour combo but ... no, I'll just save my money for when John or Doug sell theirs. Heaps of time then
Can't speak for Doug, but I've so much 'invested' in Herman I'd say you've got decades to save up! Actually, things may change, but right now I'm thinking my estate will sell Herman or the boys will get it. The Turbo 3.6 will sell at some stage. The pristine ones are getting to scary price levels. It will become a burden someday.

As for the car, a better effort this time. I had lunch with a RSG member who filled me in on the background when it was last up for sale. If that white tip can sell for $24,000 then be flipped for $30,000 with apparent rust problems, then $42,000 is not outrageous for a manual C2. The thing the more experienced among us (hard won experience) recognise is that you can sink $20,000 into a 964 in a heartbeat.

More and more I'm looking at those bare shell rebuilds and thinking there is a cheap way to have a brand new Porsche. Maybe Herman could go Ivory White for his semi retirement. It won't happen anytime soon because being chased by Lola would be too hard on a new car.
Old 07-17-2014, 04:55 PM
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Macca, excellent. I sent you an email.
Old 07-17-2014, 05:00 PM
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Re the blue '64. I almost fell of my seat when I saw the poles. I've just done the struts and, as Macca said, only a wee job. Perhaps he doesn't really want to sell it?!

@Macca utterly stunning car mate!!!
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John. You've been on the Kava again!

Cheap Porsche? Davids bare metal rebuild will owe him 100K by the time he finishes if he factors in his own time on the interior. It wont be concourse either by his own admission. I saw 964 total restoration/glass out respray at Precision yesterday running 20K+ with a 993 Targa done to concourse standards recently 30K+. Steve will be commanding mid 100s to do anything mildly correct numbers full resto or outlaw custom by 2018 mark my words. I had a long chat with Kip Colvey, owners at Precision, Paul Higgins and others yesterday and do do anything properly now is getting bug $$$ as the local independents/paint shops really dont want the work - too many unknowns and time burners with labour being the most expensive resource and owner expectations for top $$$ rebuilds being what it is often means out of pocket on these jobs.

My take on the local scene is that within a few years if you want a "like new old long hood resto/recreation" you will be having to commission offshore. Steves about the only one currently taking on the work at reasonable cost but I suspect not for much longer. Other than that its down to South island for coach building specialist and mega $$$ restos or offshore to Paul Stephens and the like. Book mark this as it will be interesting to look back on it in 2020!
Old 07-17-2014, 05:50 PM
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http://inventory.mgmsl.com/web/used/...Ohio/14565155/
http://inventory.mgmsl.com/web/used/...Ohio/14629540/

interweb rumor has it that they are asking $US125K and $US110K respectively
Old 07-17-2014, 06:07 PM
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Someone earlier posted re the NZ new C2 with 30K on the clock. Know the car its white and absolutely original (except steering wheel which is period but rare RS moiker version). Very nice car. It sold about 3-4 years ago for 55K. Considered it but too nice to drive like I do. If its changed hands for 70-75K recently then it was still a good buy. You could buy a very average example today on TM for 35K and it would owe you 60K to be reliable but would never be manual, NZ new, 30,000km and mint factory original without belmish like that one...
Old 07-17-2014, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Macca
Someone earlier posted re the NZ new C2 with 30K on the clock. Know the car its white and absolutely original (except steering wheel which is period but rare RS moiker version). Very nice car. It sold about 3-4 years ago for 55K. Considered it but too nice to drive like I do. If its changed hands for 70-75K recently then it was still a good buy. You could buy a very average example today on TM for 35K and it would owe you 60K to be reliable but would never be manual, NZ new, 30,000km and mint factory original without belmish like that one...
Sounds like the one at PCNZ christmas concours. Looked very nice, but I'd want to modify such a car, which defeats the purpose of buying an original car.
Old 07-17-2014, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Macca
John. You've been on the Kava again!

Cheap Porsche? Davids bare metal rebuild will owe him 100K by the time he finishes if he factors in his own time on the interior. It wont be concourse either by his own admission. I saw 964 total restoration/glass out respray at Precision yesterday running 20K+ with a 993 Targa done to concourse standards recently 30K+. Steve will be commanding mid 100s to do anything mildly correct numbers full resto or outlaw custom by 2018 mark my words. I had a long chat with Kip Colvey, owners at Precision, Paul Higgins and others yesterday and do do anything properly now is getting bug $$$ as the local independents/paint shops really dont want the work - too many unknowns and time burners with labour being the most expensive resource and owner expectations for top $$$ rebuilds being what it is often means out of pocket on these jobs.

My take on the local scene is that within a few years if you want a "like new old long hood resto/recreation" you will be having to commission offshore. Steves about the only one currently taking on the work at reasonable cost but I suspect not for much longer. Other than that its down to South island for coach building specialist and mega $$$ restos or offshore to Paul Stephens and the like. Book mark this as it will be interesting to look back on it in 2020!
Absolutely correct with respect to labour being the most expensive resource. I'm closer to retirement than most of you. When it happens I hope to have two cars in a three car garage with my own hoist. The only labour bills I will have are specialist skills e.g. I would only assign body work where it's a specialist task. I would hope a straight prepped shell with just a repaint would be a lot less than $20k, certainly as I would no go for concours standard. Might as well put the car in a glass case if you go that way.
Old 07-17-2014, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Macca
John. You've been on the Kava again!

Cheap Porsche? Davids bare metal rebuild will owe him 100K by the time he finishes if he factors in his own time on the interior. It wont be concourse either by his own admission. I saw 964 total restoration/glass out respray at Precision yesterday running 20K+ with a 993 Targa done to concourse standards recently 30K+. Steve will be commanding mid 100s to do anything mildly correct numbers full resto or outlaw custom by 2018 mark my words. I had a long chat with Kip Colvey, owners at Precision, Paul Higgins and others yesterday and do do anything properly now is getting bug $$$ as the local independents/paint shops really dont want the work - too many unknowns and time burners with labour being the most expensive resource and owner expectations for top $$$ rebuilds being what it is often means out of pocket on these jobs.

My take on the local scene is that within a few years if you want a "like new old long hood resto/recreation" you will be having to commission offshore. Steves about the only one currently taking on the work at reasonable cost but I suspect not for much longer. Other than that its down to South island for coach building specialist and mega $$$ restos or offshore to Paul Stephens and the like. Book mark this as it will be interesting to look back on it in 2020!
I would look to the provinces for resto. There is some great talent around, know need to go overseas IMO. Most importantly jobs in the Provinces are cheaper because people are paid less because the cost of living is less.
Just my 10 cents.
Old 07-17-2014, 09:48 PM
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Auckland has had four cracker mid winter days for driving. You couldn't have timed it better Maca.
Old 07-17-2014, 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Macca
John. You've been on the Kava again!

Cheap Porsche? Davids bare metal rebuild will owe him 100K by the time he finishes if he factors in his own time on the interior. It wont be concourse either by his own admission. I saw 964 total restoration/glass out respray at Precision yesterday running 20K+ with a 993 Targa done to concourse standards recently 30K+. Steve will be commanding mid 100s to do anything mildly correct numbers full resto or outlaw custom by 2018 mark my words. I had a long chat with Kip Colvey, owners at Precision, Paul Higgins and others yesterday and do do anything properly now is getting bug $$$ as the local independents/paint shops really dont want the work - too many unknowns and time burners with labour being the most expensive resource and owner expectations for top $$$ rebuilds being what it is often means out of pocket on these jobs.

My take on the local scene is that within a few years if you want a "like new old long hood resto/recreation" you will be having to commission offshore. Steves about the only one currently taking on the work at reasonable cost but I suspect not for much longer. Other than that its down to South island for coach building specialist and mega $$$ restos or offshore to Paul Stephens and the like. Book mark this as it will be interesting to look back on it in 2020!
I understand getting a bit jaded by it. It takes a lot out of the guys on those long builds and they get invested in the cars. I know that Steve's done a couple of project cars he wish he could have bought back or kept because there was a lot of emotion in the builds. Do that for 30 years and I'll bet you just want to start to enjoy your own cars at a certain point.

That said, there are some young guys like Dan that hopefully come up through the ranks and refresh the scene with their passion and enthusiasm.
Old 07-17-2014, 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Doug Hanna
A mate was telling me last night about a NZ 964 manual he was looking at recently and considering. It has kilometers in the 30k region and looked like he'd need to part with $60k. In the end he said it went for $75k we both figured it probably wouldn't be driven in anger ever and would end up in a collection. Does anyone know about this car?
This might be the white over navy blue interior car. If it's the one I'm thinking - it's worth every cent as the car is like new and you could never restore a 64 to this condition without spending 6 figures.

Who purchased the car? How was it being marketed for your mate in know of its sale?


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