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Wheel spacers? I get LVV, but wow... If govt were worried about anything legitimate they'd actually do proper safety inspections than what passes for a WOF exam. Good start would be an actual emissions test - I more frequently breathe in massive fumes in Auckland than the most redneck coal-rolling backwater or urban ghetto in 'Murica. And that's me living in the relative sticks. Every time I drive uphill I wish the cabin filters in the 911 were better. 100% Pure BS
Macca, you might prefer owning cars in California to fly in and drive every few months!
Macca, you might prefer owning cars in California to fly in and drive every few months!
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Hi J. Sorry mate ![Frown](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/frown.gif)
Mr Black has become something of a garage queen these last couple of weeks. Weird battery drain sorted. Worked out the stereo aerial earth and power wires were reversed. All good now. The dead battery stuffed up the idle and he kept stalling. I gave the IVC and MAF a clean and that at least made it drivable. MS reset the idle and now we are back in the game.
I Installed new struts for the front and rear bonnets. Not as bad as I thought that would be. I've also replaced the ignition switch. That was a bit of a bugger trying to remove the top screw. All sorted once I had the right tool, removed the front seat and was head down in the pedal box![Smilie](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
Sorry fellas, i'm a bit of a detailing geek. Mr Black has also been subject to a 10 paint correction and he's all sparkly know. All ready to get grubby again.
The front diff pinion seal finally came through after 4 weeks. I rang Europacfic to see if the had one on the shelf - they did, then I found out the one we ordered arrived - that same day. Lesson learned
The upshot is there's been much bonding going on. I'm learning a lot about these cars and loving it
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Mr Black has become something of a garage queen these last couple of weeks. Weird battery drain sorted. Worked out the stereo aerial earth and power wires were reversed. All good now. The dead battery stuffed up the idle and he kept stalling. I gave the IVC and MAF a clean and that at least made it drivable. MS reset the idle and now we are back in the game.
I Installed new struts for the front and rear bonnets. Not as bad as I thought that would be. I've also replaced the ignition switch. That was a bit of a bugger trying to remove the top screw. All sorted once I had the right tool, removed the front seat and was head down in the pedal box
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Sorry fellas, i'm a bit of a detailing geek. Mr Black has also been subject to a 10 paint correction and he's all sparkly know. All ready to get grubby again.
The front diff pinion seal finally came through after 4 weeks. I rang Europacfic to see if the had one on the shelf - they did, then I found out the one we ordered arrived - that same day. Lesson learned
The upshot is there's been much bonding going on. I'm learning a lot about these cars and loving it
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Good start would be an actual emissions test - I more frequently breathe in massive fumes in Auckland than the most redneck coal-rolling backwater or urban ghetto in 'Murica. And that's me living in the relative sticks. Every time I drive uphill I wish the cabin filters in the 911 were better. 100% Pure BS
Worst is when people overfill their engine oil and it all fires out needlessly as blue smoke.
Macca, if they've already accepted your mods, I would expect you'd just need to explicitly tell them that you don't have LVV and have them confirm their acceptance of that, though rechecking your policy wording and having them confirm your understanding of it is probably needed to be safe. I guess that an LVV cert pre-certifies that a vehicle modded beyond the threshold is road legal. Without it, the onus might otherwise be on you to prove that before they'd pay out. Could be difficult finding an LVV certifier willing to go that far after a crash.
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Walt. Yes my documented modification list has already been accepted in writing by their executive underwriter Victoria White.
One problem I do see. I'm prepared to "open my kimono" on this but by doing so I may also create an above the line issue for other RSG members here currently insured with Prestigio and without LVV (for exhaust/Suspension/right height mods etc). Of course ill try not. I'm am almost certain they will not sign off on what I will require in order to be legally satisfied I am covered. I don't understand if "threshold" is defined in law or by precedence. Ill look into it Monday with and report back on here....stay tuned. It would be good to get this cleared up for once and all.
P.S. 911s built for the NZ market before Nov did not ship with Cat converters. We were one of the last countries with "dirty fuel" along with South Africa & UAE.
One problem I do see. I'm prepared to "open my kimono" on this but by doing so I may also create an above the line issue for other RSG members here currently insured with Prestigio and without LVV (for exhaust/Suspension/right height mods etc). Of course ill try not. I'm am almost certain they will not sign off on what I will require in order to be legally satisfied I am covered. I don't understand if "threshold" is defined in law or by precedence. Ill look into it Monday with and report back on here....stay tuned. It would be good to get this cleared up for once and all.
P.S. 911s built for the NZ market before Nov did not ship with Cat converters. We were one of the last countries with "dirty fuel" along with South Africa & UAE.
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"Ive spoke at length with Steve R, Dean, Peter Alder and others on this. Deans position is that there isnt anything on my car that fundamentally wasnt factory on at least one 993 production variant during its production lifespan (i.e. coilovers on RS, camber plates, RS door cards, bucket seats, Heigo half cage etc etc).
LVV rules weren't written with the track day set in mind, but as you're probably doing, if I had height adjustables, I'd want them low on track and up higher for Targa. A motorsport authority card is similar to an LVV but allows a little more flexibility flipping between street config and track config I believe, but needs you to do several MS events a year and keep a logbook.
My question is. Even if changes are made and no LVV is sought what difference does that make to an insurance payout? For example Chris M biffs his car and gets paid out, does he have LVV for Bilstein struts, modified ride height, additional dual exit bumper and the few dozen other modifications he has made to his car? No he has a recent VINZ cert on import and a WOF...
That's probably the most frustrating aspect of the LVV circus. That, and the fact that it is a one way street - even if you revert to sub threshold mods or go pure stock, I believe it remains an LVV plated car forever (and you'd need to update your plate to reflect stock). I may do it eventually though if temptation gets the better of me. Can't really get enough front camber for the Nittos for instance...
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Stupidly, though if I wanted to put some adjustable butterfly valves in my exhaust to quieten it for late night comings and goings, I'd need an LVV cert!
Interesting to hear that 911s recently went to them. Suspect most cars sold new here were catless as cats aren't cheap because of platinum etc. Hence the huge numbers of Kiwis who would fail LA style emission tests if they started here, though I suppose the more recent unsullied Jap imports would be OK.
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Thanks for the additional insight Walt.
Im guessing your concern is being insured and thats why you have stayed away from modifying your car to the point you will require LVV (i.e. chip and engine output increases, exhaust etc are all acceptable)?
If that is the issue and the insurer confirms this has no bearing on your cover when using the vehicle would it change your position?
Just curious.
Im guessing your concern is being insured and thats why you have stayed away from modifying your car to the point you will require LVV (i.e. chip and engine output increases, exhaust etc are all acceptable)?
If that is the issue and the insurer confirms this has no bearing on your cover when using the vehicle would it change your position?
Just curious.
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Thanks for the additional insight Walt.
Im guessing your concern is being insured and thats why you have stayed away from modifying your car to the point you will require LVV (i.e. chip and engine output increases, exhaust etc are all acceptable)?
If that is the issue and the insurer confirms this has no bearing on your cover when using the vehicle would it change your position?
Just curious.
Im guessing your concern is being insured and thats why you have stayed away from modifying your car to the point you will require LVV (i.e. chip and engine output increases, exhaust etc are all acceptable)?
If that is the issue and the insurer confirms this has no bearing on your cover when using the vehicle would it change your position?
Just curious.
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Hi J. Sorry mate ![Frown](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/frown.gif)
Mr Black has become something of a garage queen these last couple of weeks. Weird battery drain sorted. Worked out the stereo aerial earth and power wires were reversed. All good now. The dead battery stuffed up the idle and he kept stalling. I gave the IVC and MAF a clean and that at least made it drivable. MS reset the idle and now we are back in the game.
I Installed new struts for the front and rear bonnets. Not as bad as I thought that would be. I've also replaced the ignition switch. That was a bit of a bugger trying to remove the top screw. All sorted once I had the right tool, removed the front seat and was head down in the pedal box![Smilie](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
Sorry fellas, i'm a bit of a detailing geek. Mr Black has also been subject to a 10 paint correction and he's all sparkly know. All ready to get grubby again.
The front diff pinion seal finally came through after 4 weeks. I rang Europacfic to see if the had one on the shelf - they did, then I found out the one we ordered arrived - that same day. Lesson learned
The upshot is there's been much bonding going on. I'm learning a lot about these cars and loving it
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Mr Black has become something of a garage queen these last couple of weeks. Weird battery drain sorted. Worked out the stereo aerial earth and power wires were reversed. All good now. The dead battery stuffed up the idle and he kept stalling. I gave the IVC and MAF a clean and that at least made it drivable. MS reset the idle and now we are back in the game.
I Installed new struts for the front and rear bonnets. Not as bad as I thought that would be. I've also replaced the ignition switch. That was a bit of a bugger trying to remove the top screw. All sorted once I had the right tool, removed the front seat and was head down in the pedal box
![Smilie](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
Sorry fellas, i'm a bit of a detailing geek. Mr Black has also been subject to a 10 paint correction and he's all sparkly know. All ready to get grubby again.
The front diff pinion seal finally came through after 4 weeks. I rang Europacfic to see if the had one on the shelf - they did, then I found out the one we ordered arrived - that same day. Lesson learned
The upshot is there's been much bonding going on. I'm learning a lot about these cars and loving it
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Power can increase up to 20 pc over stock before LVV comes in, but there are limits on how that is achieved (can't mod turbos or swap out chips for instance). Mine's not far off that now. My LVV reluctance is partly insurance, partly resale since it stays an LVV car even if reverted to stock. That said, resale is not why I have the car. Most further LVV related mods would involve some compromise to roadability anyway so happy to wait. Once a few too many uber-sedans approach her performance in another model generation or two I might go LVV and throw her another 100-150HP to level it up, along with adjustable coil overs. Beyond those power levels, it usually costs too much in lost low rpm performance - those 700HP+ monsters are great for quicker 0-300 or top speed runs but less fun for track or daily driving, which is best with instant power on tap (or at least no significant lag).
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Beyond having to get an LVV vehicle reinspected to update the damn LVV at a few hundred bucks or so every time you add, remove, or alter a mod that falls under it, no I don't think there is any extra compliance once plated.
To save others Googling for it, here's that link to the LVV Threshold Guide: http://www.lvvta.org.nz/documents/su..._Threshold.pdf
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I did. I've seen final touch's work and wasn't particularly impressed.
Without trying to sound too geeky. Wash and clay followed by Menzerna 2500 on on a white pad on most of the car except the doors which required a little more oomph, 1500 on orange pad. Whole car then jeweled with 4500 on blue pad. The front hood and wings were already in good nick as they were recently painted so didn't need much work. Lastly, finished with Blackfire Wet Diamond. No wax as its not going to a show. Menzerna are superb German made products and the Blackfire works well on black cars
There was some marks on the passenger door were someone with studded jeans leaned against it and scratched it to buggery as Jason will testify. They are gone now
Ill take some pics when I get a chance.
Without trying to sound too geeky. Wash and clay followed by Menzerna 2500 on on a white pad on most of the car except the doors which required a little more oomph, 1500 on orange pad. Whole car then jeweled with 4500 on blue pad. The front hood and wings were already in good nick as they were recently painted so didn't need much work. Lastly, finished with Blackfire Wet Diamond. No wax as its not going to a show. Menzerna are superb German made products and the Blackfire works well on black cars
There was some marks on the passenger door were someone with studded jeans leaned against it and scratched it to buggery as Jason will testify. They are gone now
Ill take some pics when I get a chance.
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By my reading any ECU flash on a forced induction car requires certification, irrespective of any increase in peak power output.