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I agree! Wanting the C8 to fail so your Cayman will be worth more is a bit much....
My plan is different....
Just bought this:
2017 Boxster base, 8k miles, $48k.
Drive it like I stole it for 2 years!
Trade it in for a base C8 'Vette!
I mean, why wait for some mid-engined fun!
Oh, the green '65? That is the Corvette I owned for 20 years and dearly loved!!
The Euros are making cars in the USA. Not like there's any trade secrets to design, manufacturing, and they all can buy from the same third party suppliers. No reason why the US auto manufacturers can't better compete with the Euros on all those aspects. I think the Euros will have a less competitive advantage in the future. Their manufacturing expenses and legislation are making it very expensive for them to produce cars. The US auto manufacturers can hopefully use that to their advantage.
There are just so many flat out ugly domestic designed models out there. How hard is it to hire talented designers?? Even Hyundai has stepped up their game. Get on it Chevy, Ford, and the rest ...
Generally, I agree. But the LT2 engine's torque "curve" (more a flat than a curve) in conjunction with the 8 speed DCT is what allows its 3400 lb. mass to make sub 3.0 second 0-60 times. Not just the gears.
If I had the time and resources to properly engineer such a device, I would like to replace the transaxle of a P-car with a generator plus two electric motors (and associated power electronics, and perhaps a super capacitor for regenerative braking). Essentially an electric CVT - I’m sure purists are shuddering that the thought of it. It’ll be similar to the drive of a diesel electric railway locomotive.
This way, the engine RPM could be made independent of the car’s speed. For acceleration, a GT4 with such a transaxle could just stay at 7600 RPM producing max power (and thus max acceleration) at any speed. For coasting, if could idle the engine or turn it off altogether, and also do regenerative braking. Compared to an electric car, this avoids the weight, heat, and charging speed issues of a battery.
It’ll combine many of the benefits of an electric car (always in the perfect gear, regenerative braking) while still maintaining all the benefits of a gasoline car (at least an automatic transmission gasoline car - less involvement than a manual I suppose). It even has the benefit of allowing you to hear redline at any speed
When paired with such a transaxle, I’m confident a GT4 would thoroughly beat a Z51 C8 Vette in any acceleration test from any start speed to any end speed, despite having a slightly lower power to weight ratio.
Would anyone else want such a thing to be made? I’ve wanted auto makers to do something like this for over a decade.
No offense, but for every hard pass on the C8, I suspect there is at least one P-car owner who is considering or (horror of horrors), is in the process of putting down a deposit on a C8.
Sure, to each their own, if they have a NA Cayman GTS I would think maybe a C8 is a nice upgrade...
I laughed when I saw the sound systems in the C8- Bose 10 speaker or Bose 14 speaker. ha ha made me chuckle.
But a 6.2 mid-mounted V8 is something Porsche doesn't do, and mated with a dual clutch that sounds pretty good!
Won't be parting with my 991.2 GTS. I love the car and worth noting I'm surprised that there will be no MT C8 (according to reports so far, such a shame). Great-looking car and I 100% respect buying a C8 Vette but I would never buy one considering the lack of a MT. Oh well.
I bought a Chevy Cavalier Z24 brand new in 1997. After about 5000 miles, on sunny summer days, the car would not start. Yes I admit it, I bought a Cavalier! And it wouldn't start on summer days.
I dumped that car and bought a 3-series BMW and didn't look back.
No offense, but for every hard pass on the C8, I suspect there is at least one P-car owner who is considering or (horror of horrors), is in the process of putting down a deposit on a C8.
And it's also possible that while they might get into a C8, they may only drive it for a year before they discover that yes, again, it's not as good as a 911.
One thing I noticed about the brakes on the C8 is that they are 4-piston, and smaller diameter than say, a 911 TT or GT3. And I think I saw a digital tach. Both of these are non-starters for me.
I agree! Wanting the C8 to fail so your Cayman will be worth more is a bit much....
My plan is different....
Just bought this:
2017 Boxster base, 8k miles, $48k.
Drive it like I stole it for 2 years!
Trade it in for a base C8 'Vette!
I mean, why wait for some mid-engined fun!
Oh, the green '65? That is the Corvette I owned for 20 years and dearly loved!!
The C2 was the best looking Corvette ever made IMO, especially when compared to other cars of that era. I owned a split window C2, 327 ci, 350 HP, and wish I still had that car. I like the C8 design, but I'll reserve how I feel about it until I see one in person. BTW I Iike your plan. You give GM a couple years to sort out the inevitable problems, and you'll probably be able to negotiate a nice discount by then.
Any bashing of this car at such an early stage is a bad look for Porsche folks IMO. Makes us look insecure, close-minded, and eager to jump to premature conclusions before any real-world evidence is in. It also feeds and plays into the negative image many Vette guys have of Porsche guys. We're better than that. Not saying ya gotta love it. Simply saying give it a chance and let's see how things play out.
Some people feel compelled to rationalize their car selection by bashing other cars. I have rarely experienced this attitude in person, but it's not uncommon on the internet, and I see it on both Corvette and Porsche forums. Bottom line is that posters who engage in bashing, generate negative focus on themselves more than the car they are bashing. In my case as soon as I see posters using tropes, I immediately skip to the next post in the thread, but upon reflection I believe that your approach is better. Identify the behavior and send the message that not everyone supports that perspective. Just because I've been buying Porsches for many decades doesn't mean that I don't appreciate other sports cars. Hell, I love them all from the $30K Miata to the million dollar 918.
Location: The way to hell is paved by good intentions “Wenn ich Purist höre...entsichere ich meinen Browning” "Myths are fuel for marketing (and nowadays for flippers too,,,)" time to time is not sufficient to be a saint, you must be also an Hero
And it will not hurt sales of the cars you mentioned. People buy a Ferrari, Lambo, Mac, etc not because of the performance or price. They want that manufacture. Not to sound like a brand ***** but I'm not cross shopping a vette or Ferrari....
I was at the glen last Monday and Tuesday with my c7 z06 m7. Outside temp was upper 80’s and was able to run both days with a max oil of 273 and max water of 232. I was running 2:14’s both days running 4th gear all the way around so wasn’t pushing too hard. It was my first time there so wanted to enjoy both days without overheating.
I am also looking forward to seeing the high horsepower version of c8. Considering selling my z06 now to get a gt3. Always wanted one and feel like this is a good time to try one.
07-21-2019, 06:14 PM
You're just asking for trouble Rob!