View Poll Results: what do you think?
really clean, nice looking Vette....
174
31.46%
a very different Vette but we'll sure as hell take it.
165
29.84%
i'll be ordering one soon.......
98
17.72%
No thank you
116
20.98%
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Thoughts on the new corvette?
#1861
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Let's take the Cayman GT4. Or the Corvette C8. Where do you see they can save weight without getting into exotic materials like carbon fiber,magnesium or titanium? Believe me,if they could they would...they can't! Not when the market is demanding all the creature comforts,the safety equipment(most of which is mandatory),or the emission system which now requires heavy GPFs etc.
Again, if Mazda and Alfa can do it, so can Porsche and 2x better than them. If I knew how it’s done, I’d be heading their r&d department. I don’t.
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#1862
The torsional rigidity concerns me, but they could get serious and bring back the fixed roof on the Z06 since it's geared towards track use.
Also wish that engine to be a NA version of the Blackwing.
I didn't like any Vette after my C4 until the C7, and the ones in between haven't aged gracefully to my eyes.
Since I initially disliked the C7 rear, but now think it's acceptable, maybe the C8 look will grow on me as well.
GM could have done much better with the rear if they didn't feel the need to accommodate golf clubs.
<any George Carlin golf joke here>
That was the first thing I saw was the wide and flat expanse, Testarossa like, where instead they could have elegantly tucked the corners in.
Seems a infrequent use played an out sized role in their feature list.
Do Millennials even golf?
My GT4's passenger seat is fine with carrying golf clubs, and just take two cars when you're going to the course with another person.
Also wish that engine to be a NA version of the Blackwing.
I didn't like any Vette after my C4 until the C7, and the ones in between haven't aged gracefully to my eyes.
Since I initially disliked the C7 rear, but now think it's acceptable, maybe the C8 look will grow on me as well.
GM could have done much better with the rear if they didn't feel the need to accommodate golf clubs.
<any George Carlin golf joke here>
That was the first thing I saw was the wide and flat expanse, Testarossa like, where instead they could have elegantly tucked the corners in.
Seems a infrequent use played an out sized role in their feature list.
Do Millennials even golf?
My GT4's passenger seat is fine with carrying golf clubs, and just take two cars when you're going to the course with another person.
Also, that’s the reason it doesn’t have those truly exotic mid engine rears where the entire upper bumper is a mesh screen for extra cooling.
To elaborate again on the rigidity. It should be concerning. People comparing this to older Caymans with less than 300 HP while at the salt time stating how the C8 has supercar performance aren’t aware that they’re making the case as to how big an issue it is. A car that can generate the g forces on to a chassis like the C8 can, needs something far stiffer than a chassis with one of the least rigid torsional figures on the market today.
#1864
Rennlist Member
My GT4 is 3,080 lbs and dropping.
This is plausible.
The standard dash is injection molded vinyl over a styrofoam buck, the leather dash is glued to a styrofoam buck as well.
A square inch of thick vinyl could be heavier than a square inch of leather.
The standard dash is injection molded vinyl over a styrofoam buck, the leather dash is glued to a styrofoam buck as well.
A square inch of thick vinyl could be heavier than a square inch of leather.
#1865
Pro
Seriously. They say they want to move on from Boomers, but they created the whole rear around being able to fit not one big TWO sets of golf clubs (did they say two?)? Who won’t buy a mid engine sports car because it doesn’t have ample space for golf clubs? The rear is now overly squared and engine access is clearly massively limited (e.g higher labor costs). All for golf clubs.
Also, that’s the reason it doesn’t have those truly exotic mid engine rears where the entire upper bumper is a mesh screen for extra cooling.
To elaborate again on the rigidity. It should be concerning. People comparing this to older Caymans with less than 300 HP while at the salt time stating how the C8 has supercar performance aren’t aware that they’re making the case as to how big an issue it is. A car that can generate the g forces on to a chassis like the C8 can, needs something far stiffer than a chassis with one of the least rigid torsional figures on the market today.
Also, that’s the reason it doesn’t have those truly exotic mid engine rears where the entire upper bumper is a mesh screen for extra cooling.
To elaborate again on the rigidity. It should be concerning. People comparing this to older Caymans with less than 300 HP while at the salt time stating how the C8 has supercar performance aren’t aware that they’re making the case as to how big an issue it is. A car that can generate the g forces on to a chassis like the C8 can, needs something far stiffer than a chassis with one of the least rigid torsional figures on the market today.
Seriously. They say they want to move on from Boomers, but they created the whole rear around being able to fit not one big TWO sets of golf clubs (did they say two?)? Who won’t buy a mid engine sports car because it doesn’t have ample space for golf clubs? The rear is now overly squared and engine access is clearly massively limited (e.g higher labor costs). All for golf clubs.
Where are you supposed to store the Targa top?
Have you actually done any HPDE's? People who track carry tons of crap, tools, helmets, ice coolers, EZ up, chairs etc. Every bit of extra storage helps, why do you think people like the Cayman a lot more than the 991 in regards to practicality? Because it has a rear hatch and a frunk...
In regards to accessing the engine, tell me what you need to do on a 991/992 to do an oil change, tell me what you need to do on a Boxster/Cayman to do an oil change.
The engine is a NA engine, all other exotics that have those meshes are forced induction cars...Forced induction, extra heat generated, needs venting.. Guess you don't know that either
Do a 5mph bumper to bumper on those mesh rears and see what happens and how big of a bill you end up with.
To elaborate again on the rigidity. It should be concerning. People comparing this to older Caymans with less than 300 HP while at the salt time stating how the C8 has supercar performance aren’t aware that they’re making the case as to how big an issue it is. A car that can generate the g forces on to a chassis like the C8 can, needs something far stiffer than a chassis with one of the least rigid torsional figures on the market today.
Does the Speedster have the same torsional rigidity of the GT3's? Does a TurboS Cabriolet have the same or more torsional rigidity than a GT3? By your logic no one should be purchasing those either....
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#1866
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#1867
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This whole torsional rigidity thing got me curious. After googling for a while, I keep seeing the same list pop up. But I cam across another article about the 911 Targa that was interesting:
https://driving.ca/porsche/911/revie...sche-911-targa
latest Targa is 13,200 N-m
991 cabrio is 12,000 N-m
The C8 should be around 15,500 N-m based on what GM is currently saying.
But any way you look at it, I wish the new C8 had a hard top option. Maybe the Z06 and Grand Sport will go that way, but I have a feeling they won't. Kind of a bummer.
https://driving.ca/porsche/911/revie...sche-911-targa
latest Targa is 13,200 N-m
991 cabrio is 12,000 N-m
The C8 should be around 15,500 N-m based on what GM is currently saying.
But any way you look at it, I wish the new C8 had a hard top option. Maybe the Z06 and Grand Sport will go that way, but I have a feeling they won't. Kind of a bummer.
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#1868
Pro
I also prefer the coupe over a targa top. My 97 NSX was a targa top, only took it off once to see how it worked, horrible cowl shake, went right back on never to be taken off again. At least on the NSX the T top was structural, don't think that is the case on the C8 but I could be wrong.
#1869
Rennlist Member
List of torsional rigidities:
http://youwheel.com/home/2016/06/20/...ehensive-list/
My 987 Boxster wasn't on the list but I found it's 16,000Nm/deg which is impressive for a 15yr old roadster. I think I remember reading that it was the most rigid roadster/convertible of its time.
http://youwheel.com/home/2016/06/20/...ehensive-list/
My 987 Boxster wasn't on the list but I found it's 16,000Nm/deg which is impressive for a 15yr old roadster. I think I remember reading that it was the most rigid roadster/convertible of its time.
#1870
Race Director
Originally Posted by hf1
List of torsional rigidities:
http://youwheel.com/home/2016/06/20/...ehensive-list/
My 987 Boxster wasn't on the list but I found it's 16,000Nm/deg which is impressive for a 15yr old roadster.
http://youwheel.com/home/2016/06/20/...ehensive-list/
My 987 Boxster wasn't on the list but I found it's 16,000Nm/deg which is impressive for a 15yr old roadster.
Looks like one of the best options is this:
Enough rigidity to make anyone happy here ...
#1871
What's with the big hang up on torsional rigidity? 20% softer didn't make the C7 any less of the track monsters that they are. Low torsional rigidity also didn't make Boxsters bad sports cars.
#1872
Late Porkchops
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Yep about as I expected - but that puts me in Year 2
GM / Chevy isn't going to have a bunch of game playing and ADM on these cars. Will it happen some - sure. But they want to SELL these cars and it looks as if they are going to do just that.
#1873
Late Porkchops
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I like the hardtop coupes too as indicated by the fact that I never had a convertible or a cabriolet of any description.
But in the Corvette they use that available open top as a standard feature. Some want it and some don't. I could see me taking the tops off a few times but mostly that would be no.
#1874
Rennlist Member
Just make it not squeak and rattle too much and we're good, kthxbye.
#1875
Rennlist Member
I don't understand why it matters for a mid- or rear-engine car. The chassis sees no driveline torque, at least not like it does with a front-engine configuration where the engine mounts are at the other end of the car from the driven wheels.
Just make it not squeak and rattle too much and we're good, kthxbye.
Just make it not squeak and rattle too much and we're good, kthxbye.