View Poll Results: what do you think?
really clean, nice looking Vette....
174
31.46%
a very different Vette but we'll sure as hell take it.
165
29.84%
i'll be ordering one soon.......
98
17.72%
No thank you
116
20.98%
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Thoughts on the new corvette?
07-21-2019, 01:51 PM
#1066
They've already been trying to sort out issues for ~2 years now and they're STILL not in production.
I think at best its going to be more like the Alfa Guilia Quadrifolgio. If it ever actually goes into production, the initial response will be good.. because people want it to be.
Then reality will settle in and all the excitement will burn off and it'll go from "wow what a car, they got this one right" to "whoa! too many problems, run away don't buy!"
I think at best its going to be more like the Alfa Guilia Quadrifolgio. If it ever actually goes into production, the initial response will be good.. because people want it to be.
Then reality will settle in and all the excitement will burn off and it'll go from "wow what a car, they got this one right" to "whoa! too many problems, run away don't buy!"
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SFZ GT3 (08-04-2019)
07-21-2019, 01:51 PM
#1067
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There ain't nothing wrong with the motor in this Vette.
6.2 honking liters - go for it. It can putz around on the highway getting 30 mpg at get- ticket- speeds. Or zip you to 60 in less than 3 seconds. Maintenance ? Change the oil and filter sometime when you get around to it and go again.
Old school you say? How old school is gasoline and valves?
GM knows that motor. It's like Ford with the 5.0 or the flat 6 that some guys use. It's their motor.
6.2 honking liters - go for it. It can putz around on the highway getting 30 mpg at get- ticket- speeds. Or zip you to 60 in less than 3 seconds. Maintenance ? Change the oil and filter sometime when you get around to it and go again.
Old school you say? How old school is gasoline and valves?
GM knows that motor. It's like Ford with the 5.0 or the flat 6 that some guys use. It's their motor.
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07-21-2019, 01:54 PM
#1068
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Reality is, Porsche's are like 25% more expensive than they should be just due to inflated German manufacturing costs (labor unions) and the profit margins Porsche shoots for. They're getting it, and that's fine as I support a capitalist economy, but that same economy also fosters competition and consumers have choices.
07-21-2019, 02:08 PM
#1069
Race Director
The 911 is very unique and been hard to beat agree .... Reality is, Porsche is making most if its profits on the Macan's, etc ... and those segments have more competition and less brand loyalty.
07-21-2019, 02:10 PM
#1070
I prefer the manual as well but like to drive my cars. The clutch on the old GT4 was too much exercise for my legs for my taste. If I got that car, It would remain low mileage just because it was not comfortable to drive. When the new GT4 came out, one thing I checked was if it had a DCT. However, everyone has their preferences.
07-21-2019, 02:12 PM
#1071
Only time will tell. In their defense going from FE to ME is not a minor change. Personally I'm rooting for the C8 to be a rousing success. I'm in favor of anything that will add more jobs for US workers. Also, I would like Porsche to have a competitor. Maybe it will slow down the rate of their annual price increases. The prices for all their sports cars is quickly moving to obscene levels, along with their maintenance prices. I have a friend who just had the one year service performed on his 911. He was charged $500 for what is essentially an oil change, but to be fair they did provide him with a beverage and a snack.
Wife's 320 lease will be out of miles by early 2020 and she wants a sports car this time around (we have a larger vehicle for when more space is needed). I don't think performance matters much to her but she loved the look of the vehicle, so she'll probably cross shop that with F type, BMW Z, Cayman, etc. She's partial to BMW ever since doing ED on my M4, so we'll see. Could never do a vette in the past because the front end is so long and she would have anxiety trying to park it anywhere.
Either way I think GM undeniably has a great opportunity here.
07-21-2019, 02:24 PM
#1072
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It’ll beat the 718 GT4 manual version 0-60, and beat the PDK version 0-60 MPH by a lesser margin.
The Vette weighs 3366 lbs dry, so it probably weights around 3550-3600 wet (the way Porsche measures it). That’s 400+ lbs heavier than the GT4, or about 13%+ heavier than the GT4. That negates most of the horsepower advantage, and more so given historically German horses have been inexplicably stronger than American ones
I’d expect the PDK 718 GT4 to be just as quick or quicker than the Vette in longer acceleration runs like a 1/4 mile or accelerating through straights on track.
Will the Vette chassis be as agile, balanced, and well sorted as the GT4? I doubt that too.
The new Vette is great value for the money, but saying it’ll run circles around the GT4 is a stretch. It’s just geared for good 0-60 times.
The Vette weighs 3366 lbs dry, so it probably weights around 3550-3600 wet (the way Porsche measures it). That’s 400+ lbs heavier than the GT4, or about 13%+ heavier than the GT4. That negates most of the horsepower advantage, and more so given historically German horses have been inexplicably stronger than American ones
I’d expect the PDK 718 GT4 to be just as quick or quicker than the Vette in longer acceleration runs like a 1/4 mile or accelerating through straights on track.
Will the Vette chassis be as agile, balanced, and well sorted as the GT4? I doubt that too.
The new Vette is great value for the money, but saying it’ll run circles around the GT4 is a stretch. It’s just geared for good 0-60 times.
07-21-2019, 02:26 PM
#1073
It looks ok. Still too busy and too "Hot Wheels" and not in a good way. It's designed to appeal the NASCAR hillbilly redneck type who wear TapOut and Fox Racing and Monster Energy Drink clothing and who punch holes in drywall when they get angry. They're the ones sitting around drinking Coors with their buddies talking about how it'd be "like wicked ****in' cool to get a new Vette, I tell you whut!"
I'm sure they'll sell a ton of them. I'm sure it will be "fast." I'm sure I won't want one. Never have liked Corvettes or Camaros unless we're talking something classic/vintage. My cousin has two super nice classic Stingrays. And I'd love to own a '68 Camaro. But definitely not any of the newer ones.
I'm sure they'll sell a ton of them. I'm sure it will be "fast." I'm sure I won't want one. Never have liked Corvettes or Camaros unless we're talking something classic/vintage. My cousin has two super nice classic Stingrays. And I'd love to own a '68 Camaro. But definitely not any of the newer ones.
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07-21-2019, 02:32 PM
#1074
Team Owner
Two valve with push rods. Advantage.
ok, smaller package for more displacement. Horse power per liter? Nope. Max RPM? Nope. Efficiency? Nope.
This argument reminds me of the old days in the AMA. All the Japanese and European bikes with all those valves and cams were limited to 500cc. Harley Davidson with the advantage of a flat head engine was allowed 750cc. Smaller lighter with more displacement deal.
I do see where Chevy is talking about a future option of a DOHC flat plane crank engine. Giving away the advantage for mo money. Odd.
ok, smaller package for more displacement. Horse power per liter? Nope. Max RPM? Nope. Efficiency? Nope.
This argument reminds me of the old days in the AMA. All the Japanese and European bikes with all those valves and cams were limited to 500cc. Harley Davidson with the advantage of a flat head engine was allowed 750cc. Smaller lighter with more displacement deal.
I do see where Chevy is talking about a future option of a DOHC flat plane crank engine. Giving away the advantage for mo money. Odd.
07-21-2019, 02:46 PM
#1075
Seriously, I think its more likely they'll move the Bowling Green plant to CHINA.
I haven't heard of any plans for GM to build new plants in the US.. just in China.
This could be a reason for the production delay.. They're already moving the whole operation to China??!
N' that's after the U.S. taxpayer bailed 'em out. GM wouldn't even be a company anymore if it wasn't for the U.S. taxpayer.
IMO GM is the worst !@#$%^ company and they make the worst !@#$% products!!
Agreed. Especially the Dealer maintenance costs. Wow!!!
I haven't heard of any plans for GM to build new plants in the US.. just in China.
This could be a reason for the production delay.. They're already moving the whole operation to China??!
N' that's after the U.S. taxpayer bailed 'em out. GM wouldn't even be a company anymore if it wasn't for the U.S. taxpayer.
IMO GM is the worst !@#$%^ company and they make the worst !@#$% products!!
Also, I would like Porsche to have a competitor. Maybe it will slow down the rate of their annual price increases. The prices for all their sports cars is quickly moving to obscene levels, along with their maintenance prices. I have a friend who just had the one year service performed on his 911. He was charged $500 for what is essentially an oil change, but to be fair they did provide him with a beverage and a snack.
07-21-2019, 02:50 PM
#1076
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Don't knock that engine til you run it sitting behind the wheel.
It has a bit of that street rod judder. Yes, the 427 LS7 block HAS the full judder and aftershock.
but the base engine is nothing like a pickup truck or anything.
it has a classic American V8 feel without the unpleasantries of them bygone days..
It has a bit of that street rod judder. Yes, the 427 LS7 block HAS the full judder and aftershock.
but the base engine is nothing like a pickup truck or anything.
it has a classic American V8 feel without the unpleasantries of them bygone days..
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07-21-2019, 03:13 PM
#1079
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Nope, with a $60k point of entry, in 2 years you'll see 10 of them every time you leave the house. I like unique cars and this won't be one.
07-21-2019, 03:15 PM
#1080
Funny how different geographical have different meaning for unique cars because I see a Porsche every street corners in Honolulu but I rarely ever seen a new Vette around town. Vette is more rare than 911 in my little county Kaka’ako Hawai’i.
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