View Poll Results: what do you think?
really clean, nice looking Vette....
174
31.46%
a very different Vette but we'll sure as hell take it.
165
29.84%
i'll be ordering one soon.......
98
17.72%
No thank you
116
20.98%
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Thoughts on the new corvette?
07-22-2019, 08:51 AM
#1216
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How do you know that tracking your 987 wouldn’t LESSEN the risk of the engine failure? I don’t know, but neither do you. All I know is that there are a lot of those cars being tracked with no engine failures. Mine is one of them. Over 10 years of regular dedicated track use, and that “inferior” engine still purrs like a Swiss....errr I mean a German watch.
No one told me about the IMS (lol!), just change fluids & brakes and drive. Not a drop of oil on the garage floor, nor ever added between oil changes. My mechanic later told me that the IMS likes to be wrung out to the rev limit often to keep the bearings lubricated.
My point is comparing one car to another in a track situation is way less about the car than the driver. Choose a car you like and go have fun. I love the Porsche brand. It has been an awesome car ownership experience over the past 30 years. I would be glad to track a car of another brand. So many fun cars out there!
Drivers drive cars, not brands.
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07-22-2019, 09:11 AM
#1217
I think that is a given regardless the layout, people will crash them.
I have driven/taught people how to drive a wide variety of cars on race tracks and the newer they get the harder it gets to crash them, that is all I am really saying. Combine that with an inherently stable design like a mid engine and my guess is it will be very balanced more so than the C7, my guess is it won’t allow most drivers to get to the point where they are spinning like a top.
I have driven/taught people how to drive a wide variety of cars on race tracks and the newer they get the harder it gets to crash them, that is all I am really saying. Combine that with an inherently stable design like a mid engine and my guess is it will be very balanced more so than the C7, my guess is it won’t allow most drivers to get to the point where they are spinning like a top.
07-22-2019, 09:32 AM
#1218
Race Director
Someone mentioned ADM on the new C8. Chevy will crank out as many of these as they can. They don't care about playing exclusivity games and false supply.
Would like to see side by side specs of the C8 and .2 GT3 ...
Would like to see side by side specs of the C8 and .2 GT3 ...
07-22-2019, 09:40 AM
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I contacted the dealer I bought my C7 from (twice - long story) and was told I would be notified as soon as they knew they would be getting one, which he expects around the start of the new year.
07-22-2019, 09:52 AM
#1220
I suspect that the C8 Corvette will be a much more appealing offering internationally, and that Chevrolet prepared for this change by committing to RHD production for the first time in Corvette's history. This is a cool opportunity for an American-manufactured auto to have global cache. Here's hoping that after import duties and taxes on engine displacement, that the C8 remains competitive abroad.
I dug up a some quick and dirty sales numbers for Corvettes compared to other sports and supercars. These sources may be a bit dubious, but can show a directional comparison.
- Over the last five years, Corvette units for US and Canada have averaged ~30,000 annually, though 2018 showed a dip to 20.7k units (source: http://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/chevr...sales-numbers/)
- For 2018, Porsche shipped 35.5k 911s and 24.8k 718's in 2018 globally. (https://www.thesupercarblog.com/supe...ecord-numbers/)
- McLaren shipped 4806 units in 2018 (https://www.thesupercarblog.com/supe...ecord-numbers/)
- Lamborghini shipped 3989 non-Urus units in 2018 (https://www.thesupercarblog.com/supe...ecord-numbers/)
- Ferrari shipped 9251 units in 2018 (https://auto.ndtv.com/news/ferrari-r...n-2018-1988141)
These numbers are anecdotes rather than trends, but probably show the approximate market size for the high-power sport/supercar segment. Even though 2018 was a down year for Corvette compared to the prior four, in the US and Canada alone, more units were shipped than McLaren, Lamborghini, and Ferrari shipped combined (18.0k units)... worldwide.
I dug up a some quick and dirty sales numbers for Corvettes compared to other sports and supercars. These sources may be a bit dubious, but can show a directional comparison.
- Over the last five years, Corvette units for US and Canada have averaged ~30,000 annually, though 2018 showed a dip to 20.7k units (source: http://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/chevr...sales-numbers/)
- For 2018, Porsche shipped 35.5k 911s and 24.8k 718's in 2018 globally. (https://www.thesupercarblog.com/supe...ecord-numbers/)
- McLaren shipped 4806 units in 2018 (https://www.thesupercarblog.com/supe...ecord-numbers/)
- Lamborghini shipped 3989 non-Urus units in 2018 (https://www.thesupercarblog.com/supe...ecord-numbers/)
- Ferrari shipped 9251 units in 2018 (https://auto.ndtv.com/news/ferrari-r...n-2018-1988141)
These numbers are anecdotes rather than trends, but probably show the approximate market size for the high-power sport/supercar segment. Even though 2018 was a down year for Corvette compared to the prior four, in the US and Canada alone, more units were shipped than McLaren, Lamborghini, and Ferrari shipped combined (18.0k units)... worldwide.
To put this in clear text - US cars other than in the US are considered total crap - how bad are they, the Mustang rated lower in the ANCAP testing than the Great Wall - UTE a vehicle that makes **** look good.
I'm glad GM made the C8 but frankly I think it will be like any other GM product.
07-22-2019, 09:54 AM
#1221
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Having now seen more photos of it from more views, I may have to retract my statement about generally liking the look. It's crazy busy with all kinds of angles and cut lines. The rear end looks like someone riced up a Camaro with as many different parts as they could bolt on.
Comparing this body design to those of similar mid-engine Ferraris, the latter have purposeful, but much more flowing designs, and there's really no comparison. The C7 vette shape was actually smoother and more flowing. I'll need to see one in person before making final judgment but I think they've alienated their core demographic with this new car, which isn't how you expand on a successful history. If they wanted to do this design they should have built it along with the current front engine platform and called it a new model with a different name than a corvette.
Comparing this body design to those of similar mid-engine Ferraris, the latter have purposeful, but much more flowing designs, and there's really no comparison. The C7 vette shape was actually smoother and more flowing. I'll need to see one in person before making final judgment but I think they've alienated their core demographic with this new car, which isn't how you expand on a successful history. If they wanted to do this design they should have built it along with the current front engine platform and called it a new model with a different name than a corvette.
07-22-2019, 09:58 AM
#1222
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07-22-2019, 10:04 AM
#1223
Originally Posted by MarcusG
Read that the trans took almost as much work than the entire car itself to work out.
Dying to drive it. I've driven the **** out or a 2019 ZR1 and while it still has the old trans, it still feels like a mushy soft sloppy Chevy.
That p!sses me off to say because I'm a GM fan over Ford products but Maybe it's finally time this C8 will feel taut, tight and engineered like a Porsche.
We will see.... we will see.
Dying to drive it. I've driven the **** out or a 2019 ZR1 and while it still has the old trans, it still feels like a mushy soft sloppy Chevy.
That p!sses me off to say because I'm a GM fan over Ford products but Maybe it's finally time this C8 will feel taut, tight and engineered like a Porsche.
We will see.... we will see.
07-22-2019, 10:08 AM
#1224
Instructor
No ADM's from the big dealers. MSRP all the way. They know GM will make tons of these (as done in the past). From experience, most GM dealers do not markup their cars. Some that do have lost their core enthusiast base.
07-22-2019, 10:31 AM
#1225
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Good try with the title Rob, it's been moved like the others...
07-22-2019, 10:34 AM
#1226
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Agree for the auto's- including not enough cooling on the C7, but the manual was just fine, and in fact very nice in my GS C7.
07-22-2019, 10:38 AM
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How do you know that tracking your 987 wouldn’t LESSEN the risk of the engine failure? I don’t know, but neither do you. All I know is that there are a lot of those cars being tracked with no engine failures. Mine is one of them. Over 10 years of regular dedicated track use, and that “inferior” engine still purrs like a Swiss....errr I mean a German watch.
07-22-2019, 10:41 AM
#1228
Race Director
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07-22-2019, 10:46 AM
#1230
Race Director
I am sure a manual will be offered at some point. I just hope the dct is good. I am pretty spoiled.