View Poll Results: what do you think?
really clean, nice looking Vette....
174
31.46%
a very different Vette but we'll sure as hell take it.
165
29.84%
i'll be ordering one soon.......
98
17.72%
No thank you
116
20.98%
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Thoughts on the new corvette?
07-26-2019, 10:53 AM
#1591
Walking up your local hill is not the same as climbing the Eiger.
I posed a very simple question - why should I give up my 720S or GT 3RS for a C8 - you must have a simple answer to this?
Because for many and for a long time this has been the apparent value proposition and yet so few of us do it
Why?
07-26-2019, 10:57 AM
#1592
I have owned 2 Corvettes during my 3 decades of 911 ownership. They were huge mistakes. I get suckered into the “New Corvette is so much better built” hype. Every time I then question how can I accept this build quality owning German cars. I can’t and end up trading the Vette in at a huge depreciation. Probably the worst depreciation of any car model I have ever seen or owned. They were basically worth nothing.after a year. The reality is GM doesn’t have it in their DNA to know how to build a quality built vehicle. Even their top tier Cadillacs pale in comparison to a mid level luxury German car.
Fast forward a few years and my elderly neighbor buys the latest Z51 Stingray loaded up with the LT3 package.($81k). He asked me to set his car up for him and show him how it works. This was like owning the car without paying for it for me. We even did several Draggy times as he knows I have the gear for testing. After several runs in every drive mode the best 0-60mph time we could get was just under 5 seconds at 4.87 seconds. this is “suppose” to be a low 3 second car. My new BMW X5 50i M-Sport can do 4 seconds flat all day long 0-60mph with half a tank of gas with the same Draggy unit.
This was strike 3 for GM as they greatly exaggerate their real world performance numbers. I went online to compare our results and sure enough lots of videos showing the current Z51 having a hard time getting under 5 seconds 0-60mph. There was one video where the GM test driver couldn’t get under 5 seconds and then tried to dance around the poor performance. Why would any one thing the latest mid engine Vette will be any different? My neighbors interior looked great for 6 months but after a year everything started to rattle and the upgraded leather cracked prematurely (warranty issue). Dash has a bad thump noise (warranty). Leather trim pulling away at the doors (warranty) Radio/head unit went dead (replaced under warranty). Electric door handles get stuck randomly, engine over heating issue, etc... This car is babied and falling apart.
The C8 has been over hyped for a year now and yet many are accepting GM’s claims again as if they were the gospel truth. Not this guy. been there, done that too many times with Chevy. My best advise for the kids without a lot of performance cars under their belt, if you can’t tell the quality difference between a German Porsche/BMW, etc to a Chevy then you buy the Chevy and pay for your education with your own wallet. Better to wait and get a used Vette for a significant discount as they will be a dime a dozen in a few years.
Fast forward a few years and my elderly neighbor buys the latest Z51 Stingray loaded up with the LT3 package.($81k). He asked me to set his car up for him and show him how it works. This was like owning the car without paying for it for me. We even did several Draggy times as he knows I have the gear for testing. After several runs in every drive mode the best 0-60mph time we could get was just under 5 seconds at 4.87 seconds. this is “suppose” to be a low 3 second car. My new BMW X5 50i M-Sport can do 4 seconds flat all day long 0-60mph with half a tank of gas with the same Draggy unit.
This was strike 3 for GM as they greatly exaggerate their real world performance numbers. I went online to compare our results and sure enough lots of videos showing the current Z51 having a hard time getting under 5 seconds 0-60mph. There was one video where the GM test driver couldn’t get under 5 seconds and then tried to dance around the poor performance. Why would any one thing the latest mid engine Vette will be any different? My neighbors interior looked great for 6 months but after a year everything started to rattle and the upgraded leather cracked prematurely (warranty issue). Dash has a bad thump noise (warranty). Leather trim pulling away at the doors (warranty) Radio/head unit went dead (replaced under warranty). Electric door handles get stuck randomly, engine over heating issue, etc... This car is babied and falling apart.
The C8 has been over hyped for a year now and yet many are accepting GM’s claims again as if they were the gospel truth. Not this guy. been there, done that too many times with Chevy. My best advise for the kids without a lot of performance cars under their belt, if you can’t tell the quality difference between a German Porsche/BMW, etc to a Chevy then you buy the Chevy and pay for your education with your own wallet. Better to wait and get a used Vette for a significant discount as they will be a dime a dozen in a few years.
Base Stingray - 455HP - Manual (2.664 1st Gear Ratio) - 3.42 Axle Ratio
4.0 seconds - 0-60 MPH
No Quarter Mile data cited
Base Stingray - 455HP - A8 (4.56 1st Gear Ratio) - 2.41 Axle Ratio
4.0 seconds - 0-60 MPH
No Quarter Mile data cited
Z51 Stingray - 460HP - Manual (2.966 1st Gear Ratio) - 3.42 Axle Ratio
3.8 seconds - 0-60 MPH
12.0 seconds @ 119 MPH - Quarter Mile
Z51 Stingray - 460HP - A8 (4.56 1st Gear Ratio) - 2.73 Axle Ratio
3.7 seconds - 0-60 MPH
11.9 seconds @ 119 MPH - Quarter Mile
07-26-2019, 11:00 AM
#1593
why does anyone care about 0-60mph? it has so little relevance these days.
"With only 3,464 pounds of car to move, the Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport does a standing quarter mile in just 12.2 seconds at 116.1 mph. On the way there, it blows past 60 mph in only 3.9 seconds. " Motortrend 2017.
"With only 3,464 pounds of car to move, the Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport does a standing quarter mile in just 12.2 seconds at 116.1 mph. On the way there, it blows past 60 mph in only 3.9 seconds. " Motortrend 2017.
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CaymanCarver (07-27-2019)
07-26-2019, 11:04 AM
#1594
Race Director
Originally Posted by groundhog
Have you thought to ask the buyers if they are happy with the product they have purchased? I know I'm very happy with my 991 II GT3 RS. As I said its not just about price its about the experience you are prepared to pay for.
Walking up your local hill is not the same as climbing the Eiger.
I posed a very simple question - why should I give up my 720S or GT 3RS for a C8 - you must have a simple answer to this?
Walking up your local hill is not the same as climbing the Eiger.
I posed a very simple question - why should I give up my 720S or GT 3RS for a C8 - you must have a simple answer to this?
Don't give them up. Looks like you're in the wrong discussion area then.
For someone looking for a new purchase and cross shopping options, the C8 seems to give you a very nice bang for your buck. No arguing that.
It being discussed with cars costing 2-3x as much says something. $ for $, the value can't be beat. Porsche's are 25% overpriced right off the top just because of the badge. Porsche charges what they can get. That's no secret. If someone wants to pay it, good for them. It's their $$.
07-26-2019, 11:06 AM
#1595
Instructor
There are lots of variables that affect 0-60 times: tire condition, heat, humidity, elevation, etc. I would imagine that most companies do their "hero" runs under ideal conditions. Not sure where you got the low 3 sec 0-60 for a C7. Performance data for Base and Z51 Stingray contained in 2016 Corvette brochure is as follows:
Base Stingray - 455HP - Manual (2.664 1st Gear Ratio) - 3.42 Axle Ratio
4.0 seconds - 0-60 MPH
No Quarter Mile data cited
Base Stingray - 455HP - A8 (4.56 1st Gear Ratio) - 2.41 Axle Ratio
4.0 seconds - 0-60 MPH
No Quarter Mile data cited
Z51 Stingray - 460HP - Manual (2.966 1st Gear Ratio) - 3.42 Axle Ratio
3.8 seconds - 0-60 MPH
12.0 seconds @ 119 MPH - Quarter Mile
Z51 Stingray - 460HP - A8 (4.56 1st Gear Ratio) - 2.73 Axle Ratio
3.7 seconds - 0-60 MPH
11.9 seconds @ 119 MPH - Quarter Mile
Base Stingray - 455HP - Manual (2.664 1st Gear Ratio) - 3.42 Axle Ratio
4.0 seconds - 0-60 MPH
No Quarter Mile data cited
Base Stingray - 455HP - A8 (4.56 1st Gear Ratio) - 2.41 Axle Ratio
4.0 seconds - 0-60 MPH
No Quarter Mile data cited
Z51 Stingray - 460HP - Manual (2.966 1st Gear Ratio) - 3.42 Axle Ratio
3.8 seconds - 0-60 MPH
12.0 seconds @ 119 MPH - Quarter Mile
Z51 Stingray - 460HP - A8 (4.56 1st Gear Ratio) - 2.73 Axle Ratio
3.7 seconds - 0-60 MPH
11.9 seconds @ 119 MPH - Quarter Mile
Good point, my wife's 2018 Mustang GT 10sp auto with PP1 is supposed to do 0-60 in 3.8 seconds, i have not seen better than 4.6 sec since i want to spare the expensive 4s tires thus do not use the line lock to heat up tires and do not turn off stability and traction control
07-26-2019, 11:07 AM
#1596
OK I buy that as a cross shopping discussion - e.g. C8 or Cayman - still very different cars in many respects.
07-26-2019, 11:09 AM
#1597
Race Director
Originally Posted by groundhog
OK I buy that as a cross shopping discussion - e.g. C8 or Cayman - still very different cars in many respects.
The C8 will be considered as an option to owners of 911's and GT cars.
The 718 is no comparison other than its ridiculous MSRP price.
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bertram928 (07-26-2019)
07-26-2019, 11:12 AM
#1598
I would check one out in addition but not instead of. The more I see the less I like - for example it looks like they have struggled with weight, engine placement/packaging and cooling. The actual method of construction would be very familiar to Great Wall or Geely. Bolt construction is used primarily to save weight and cost.
07-26-2019, 11:18 AM
#1599
Instructor
why does anyone care about 0-60mph? it has so little relevance these days.
"With only 3,464 pounds of car to move, the Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport does a standing quarter mile in just 12.2 seconds at 116.1 mph. On the way there, it blows past 60 mph in only 3.9 seconds. " Motortrend 2017.
"With only 3,464 pounds of car to move, the Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport does a standing quarter mile in just 12.2 seconds at 116.1 mph. On the way there, it blows past 60 mph in only 3.9 seconds. " Motortrend 2017.
On the street 0-60 is more relevant than quarter mile
I beat a 2015 Camaro in back to back drag races just past 60 mph in my 2007 Tundra with 400 lbs of lime in bed, no tire spinning or attention getting noise the guy asked what did i do to my truck, i said changed the oil and air filter. He said perhaps he needs to do the same but he only had the car for 6 months
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2slow2speed (07-26-2019)
07-26-2019, 11:19 AM
#1600
Race Director
Originally Posted by groundhog
No it won't and only where price is a consideration and I'd take a PDK GT4 everyday of the week over the C8. Initially had high hopes for the C8 but.....its clearly a price point car.
I would check one out in addition but not instead of.
I would check one out in addition but not instead of.
Had high hopes?
Wait until the reviews come out and you see one and drive one in person first.
Very early to make a conclusion either way. At this time, looks like they may have a winner. It's definitely had way more discussion/interest on Rennlist here than that disaster train wreck of a 992.
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CaymanCarver (07-27-2019)
07-26-2019, 11:20 AM
#1601
On the street 0-60 is more relevant than quarter mile
I beat a 2015 Camaro in back to back drag races just past 60 mph in my 2007 Tundra with 400 lbs of lime in bed, no tire spinning or attention getting noise the guy asked what did i do to my truck, i said changed the oil and air filter. He said perhaps he needs to do the same but he only had the car for 6 months
I beat a 2015 Camaro in back to back drag races just past 60 mph in my 2007 Tundra with 400 lbs of lime in bed, no tire spinning or attention getting noise the guy asked what did i do to my truck, i said changed the oil and air filter. He said perhaps he needs to do the same but he only had the car for 6 months
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CaymanCarver (07-27-2019)
07-26-2019, 11:22 AM
#1602
Had high hopes?
Wait until the reviews come out and you see one and drive one in person first.
Very early to make a conclusion either way. At this time, looks like they may have a winner. It's definitely had way more discussion/interest on Rennlist here than that disaster train wreck of a 992.
Wait until the reviews come out and you see one and drive one in person first.
Very early to make a conclusion either way. At this time, looks like they may have a winner. It's definitely had way more discussion/interest on Rennlist here than that disaster train wreck of a 992.
Thats because in some respects people were expecting more of the GT4 - also not a fan of the 992 but there is a market for it non the less.
Its the latent engineer in me - the sectioned car troubled me a lot, I feel/suspect the C8 will be very much like the 1M, M2 or Ford Focus RS - initial excitement followed by reality and ultimately a bit of disappointment. Good up to a point but ultimately found out e.g. chassis, mechanical or just not that good past 80%.
07-26-2019, 11:27 AM
#1603
Pro
On the street 0-60 is more relevant than quarter mile
I beat a 2015 Camaro in back to back drag races just past 60 mph in my 2007 Tundra with 400 lbs of lime in bed, no tire spinning or attention getting noise the guy asked what did i do to my truck, i said changed the oil and air filter. He said perhaps he needs to do the same but he only had the car for 6 months
I beat a 2015 Camaro in back to back drag races just past 60 mph in my 2007 Tundra with 400 lbs of lime in bed, no tire spinning or attention getting noise the guy asked what did i do to my truck, i said changed the oil and air filter. He said perhaps he needs to do the same but he only had the car for 6 months
Basic physics... 
Its the latent engineer in me - the sectioned car troubled me a lot, I feel/suspect the C8 will be very much like the 1M, M2 or Ford Focus RS - initial excitement followed by reality and ultimately a bit of disappointment. Good up to a point but ultimately found out e.g. chassis, mechanical or just not that good past 80%.
, will give the car a chance to prove itself 
Last edited by 2slow2speed; 07-26-2019 at 11:32 AM. Reason: Add multi-quote
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CaymanCarver (07-27-2019)
07-26-2019, 11:38 AM
#1604
The Corvette vs Porsche comparison is 4 decades long. It’s fueled by budget minded car seekers validating not paying high end prestige car prices. The Chevy Corvette will never be a prestige car and that doesn’t matter to some and others, style and prestige is a important factor if they admit it or not. It’s only human nature.
Everyone assumes everyone’s priorities are the same and the definition of “better” has 100s of different meanings.
In the end it always boils down to buying the car that you can afford that makes you smile most.
For the record I could never go back to the Chevy ownership experience. Bush-league price point car dealers and service center treatment. The new Vette would have to be unworldly amazing to deal with that ownership experience. Imagine dealing with them with extensive warranty claims on a new Corvette. “Sorry sir the parts are not available for 2 weeks but you can sign out a Sonic as a service loaner.”
I also lost a crap load of money on the GM bailout that probably still irritates me.
Everyone assumes everyone’s priorities are the same and the definition of “better” has 100s of different meanings.
In the end it always boils down to buying the car that you can afford that makes you smile most.
For the record I could never go back to the Chevy ownership experience. Bush-league price point car dealers and service center treatment. The new Vette would have to be unworldly amazing to deal with that ownership experience. Imagine dealing with them with extensive warranty claims on a new Corvette. “Sorry sir the parts are not available for 2 weeks but you can sign out a Sonic as a service loaner.”
I also lost a crap load of money on the GM bailout that probably still irritates me.
