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Old 02-13-2022, 02:42 PM
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1-key is all you need to know about a 911

No PPI required: run don’t walk



Originally Posted by philbert996
It will be interesting.
That low mileage 1999 has a lot going for it and a few negatives.

7 owners, only 1 key, non-factory aerokit , missing amber headlights and 408 hollow spokes

None of the negatives would stop me from buying that 996 but I think it’s going to keep the price down.
But I could be wrong,…..
Old 02-13-2022, 02:44 PM
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A Rennlist poll will not support your assumption

But Beverly Hills Porsche sales figures will


Originally Posted by Fishah
Except for the only ones that matter, of course.
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Old 02-13-2022, 02:49 PM
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My statement included no assumptions or opinions. Porsche picks the car models and decides what is a 911.
Old 02-13-2022, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by GC996
All I can say is that if you haven't driven the 964, 993, 997, 991 and 992, you can't fully appreciate the modern visceral feel of the 996, and you will want one.
Yep. The only car I'd want more is a 930 and you can't drive those daily anymore (nor are they affordable)

Originally Posted by bdronsick
Timeless design is typically overlooked originally

The Carrera GT, for example, quickly fell to less than half its original value, before eventually recovering, and subsequently skyrocketing to nearly $2M (and rising…)
All good points, but I have a hard time finding the GT attractive, personally.

It'll be interesting to think about these conversations 20 years from now and see which hold up well. The 911/930 certainly is timeless. The same shape has been used for 60+ years and if that isn't a testimony, nothing is.

You might be right about 997 and later models being dated. When I tell people my 996TT is 20+ years old they can't believe it.

Originally Posted by Lady Silver
See that little button with the "A" on it? If that is not turned on showing a red light the car will shut itself down when you stop for a traffic light......
Unfortunately, that's because of tightening emission standards and government Global Warming and Carbon goals.

I don't think Porsche or any other manufacture has found a way around emission standards to get around stopping emissions other than turning the engine off when you don't use it.

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Old 02-13-2022, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by bdronsick
1-key is all you need to know about a 911

No PPI required: run don’t walk
Admittedly you kick some serious 911 knowledge, but some of your statements are just blasphemous. Chill.
Old 02-13-2022, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Fishah
My statement included no assumptions or opinions. Porsche picks the car models and decides what is a 911.
True
Porsche is calling an EV a Turbo
Ford is calling an EV SUV abomination a Mustang



Old 02-13-2022, 03:55 PM
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Porsche officially decided that "Turbo" is actually the name of one of their trim levels and not anything to do with forced induction. I'm sure you know all the base models are now turbocharged, in addition to EVs bearing the "Turbo" and "Turbo S" moniker.

It is a bold move, that I believe, if any other car manufacturer tried to do they would be laughed at and have to reverse course. But Porsche will get away with it.

Edit: Thinking about it now. In a few years, once the ICE engine is pretty much gone, so will be the word Turbo. It will lose it's true meaning and just become a Porsche trim level. Smart move by Porsche.

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Originally Posted by pulpo
Porsche officially decided that "Turbo" is actually the name of one of their trim levels and not anything to do with forced induction. I'm sure you know all the base models are now turbocharged, in addition to EVs bearing the "Turbo" and "Turbo S" moniker.

It is a bold move, that I believe, if any other car manufacturer tried to do they would be laughed at and have to reverse course. But Porsche will get away with it.

Edit: Thinking about it now. In a few years, once the ICE engine is pretty much gone, so will be the word Turbo. It will lose it's true meaning and just become a Porsche trim level. Smart move by Porsche.
This is a pet peeve of mine. Can't stand it. I can let it pass if its s/c because at least its still forced induction.
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Old 02-13-2022, 05:21 PM
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Default Agreed, I seen dealers lowering prices

Originally Posted by philbert996
I agree, I seen dealers specially on higher priced cars lowering their prices as much as 10 percent. It just depends how much they got into them.
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Where are all the fire sales? 996 prices are tanking from last week!!
Old 02-13-2022, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by philbert996
I like data driven analysis.
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Bummer, wish he covered more on the 996 model range specifically. Far too much variability in the 911 (generationally, model, option, color, mileage) for him to really cover it all in the scope of this video. He did a "deep dive" into the 996 earlier but it would have been nice to see an update to that including all models. I did say many years ago that the 997.2 will be the next "993" (notice the quotes); or the closest thing since. It's entirely possible that the 996 buyer demo (not in totality obviously) could be the first to feel the "pinch" of inflation and therefore "begin to cool"; just guessing here. And as much as values have come up, lets not kid ourselves, the 996 is still the lowest cost barrier to entry.

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We witnessed the 996 dip in prices over the past few months as the market consolidated, of which we then saw a reversal last week with prices going back up.

As JP Morgan once said when he was asked what the market was going to do, he said, "it will fluctuate" .

As a side note, the guy produces some insightful videos.
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Good videos from that guy. I wonder if he has analyzed the effect of seasonal variation on car prices.


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