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Old 11-28-2022 | 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by bluelines1974
My proposed T build: http://www.porschecode.com/PPQK28R5

A bit over the top and certainly not the lightest build. My rationale on some of the highlights:

Rear seats: It's just nice to be able to squeeze the kids into the back for a family drive.
18-ways: My wife will drive the car often, so the memory function is a must-have.
Burmester: Completely irrational. It makes much more sense in our Taycan, but I just like the idea of it on this build.
RAS: More for the reduced turning circle than because I believe it makes a huge difference in high performance driving.
PTS and leather / race-tex extravagances: These are all in the "only live once" bucket.

Obviously I could get a pretty nice GTS for this price, but fundamentally I buy the idea that the T is a more fun, usable toy for the street driving that is my reality.
PTS shop is currently closed and nobody knows if it'll open back up this model year.

But at that price point you should absolutely get the GTS.
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Old 11-28-2022 | 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by balucipher
Yep. If you build it out too much, I'd rather have a S or GTS. Keep it lightly optioned, keep it light to the T ethos and I think you have a banger.
Yeah, I just don't understand some of these builds posted. Just order an S, enjoy the extra power and bigger brakes. I will never understand speccing a T by removing just about everything that makes it a T.
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Old 11-28-2022 | 02:44 PM
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Here's the current build I have submitted, only changes I'm really considering at this point are the seat delete and PDK.

http://www.porsche-code.com/PP4D4JA9
I believe the T has a shorter shifter compared to the C2S. Manual also better fits the ethos of the T. I'd get the manual - I only hope the auto-blip is defeatable.
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Old 11-28-2022 | 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by bluelines1974
My proposed T build: http://www.porschecode.com/PPQK28R5

A bit over the top and certainly not the lightest build. My rationale on some of the highlights:

Rear seats: It's just nice to be able to squeeze the kids into the back for a family drive.
18-ways: My wife will drive the car often, so the memory function is a must-have.
Burmester: Completely irrational. It makes much more sense in our Taycan, but I just like the idea of it on this build.
RAS: More for the reduced turning circle than because I believe it makes a huge difference in high performance driving.
PTS and leather / race-tex extravagances: These are all in the "only live once" bucket.

Obviously I could get a pretty nice GTS for this price, but fundamentally I buy the idea that the T is a more fun, usable toy for the street driving that is my reality.
That's insane. $195,910 for a Carrera T? With all that extra weight on it undermining the ethos of the T? Hard pass. I'd rather have a nicely equipped GTS or a lightly-speced Turbo for that price. At a minimum, you should just put all those options on an S, which is the better starting point for a sporty luxury touring car.
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Old 11-28-2022 | 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by rk-d
I believe the T has a shorter shifter compared to the C2S. Manual also better fits the ethos of the T. I'd get the manual - I only hope the auto-blip is defeatable.
https://rennlist.com/forums/991/1320...disable-q.html

It is defeatable with some caveats.
Old 11-28-2022 | 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by bluelines1974
My proposed T build: http://www.porschecode.com/PPQK28R5

A bit over the top and certainly not the lightest build. My rationale on some of the highlights:

Rear seats: It's just nice to be able to squeeze the kids into the back for a family drive.
18-ways: My wife will drive the car often, so the memory function is a must-have.
Burmester: Completely irrational. It makes much more sense in our Taycan, but I just like the idea of it on this build.
RAS: More for the reduced turning circle than because I believe it makes a huge difference in high performance driving.
PTS and leather / race-tex extravagances: These are all in the "only live once" bucket.

Obviously I could get a pretty nice GTS for this price, but fundamentally I buy the idea that the T is a more fun, usable toy for the street driving that is my reality.
wow what a build! That is going to be epic.
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Old 11-28-2022 | 03:11 PM
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I think if an S was available for the same or less markup as they are asking for my T, I would probably step up and go for it, but to get it with the sport package sport seat plus and everything else I want the price would still come out substantially more than my T config. Every time I have asked about S availability I dont even get to the markup question because I am always being told 1-2 year wait in line.
Old 11-28-2022 | 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by adm63
Every time I have asked about S availability I dont even get to the markup question because I am always being told 1-2 year wait in line.
EXACTLY! An S is unobtainium
Old 11-28-2022 | 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by bluelines1974
My proposed T build: http://www.porschecode.com/PPQK28R5

A bit over the top and certainly not the lightest build. My rationale on some of the highlights:

Rear seats: It's just nice to be able to squeeze the kids into the back for a family drive.
18-ways: My wife will drive the car often, so the memory function is a must-have.
Burmester: Completely irrational. It makes much more sense in our Taycan, but I just like the idea of it on this build.
RAS: More for the reduced turning circle than because I believe it makes a huge difference in high performance driving.
PTS and leather / race-tex extravagances: These are all in the "only live once" bucket.

Obviously I could get a pretty nice GTS for this price, but fundamentally I buy the idea that the T is a more fun, usable toy for the street driving that is my reality.
This is a tasteful, albeit very expensive build.

Are you paying an ADM on top of the $195k?

If you are, then you’re probably in the ballpark of what I paid for a loaded 991.2 GT3 Touring with buckets, PCCBs, deviated stitching/extended leather/carbon, full PPF, warranty til 2025 and low miles. And I paid on the higher side of fair market value. Just sayin - think about your options because that price point opens up a lot of possibilities in the CPO/preowned market.
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Old 11-28-2022 | 03:59 PM
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my original S order was at MSRP. I think I'd wait a year and get a 992.2 build S instead of a $10-15k marked up T. Especially considering what used vehicle pricing is doing and demand for $100k+ new sports cars starting to dwindle.
Old 11-28-2022 | 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by adm63
Oh yes I'm certainly expecting a delay of some sort. I remember my C63 sitting at the port for 5 months back in 2019. My SA sort of implied that the lock date could be pushed up earlier without warning, but thinking about it more he probably just doesn't want to scramble to change the build last minute during the holidays.
What's your current lock date? My SA told me I have a Feb build with a 1/17 build freeze. Assume that might mean I'm in the second wave?
Old 11-28-2022 | 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by balucipher
my original S order was at MSRP. I think I'd wait a year and get a 992.2 build S instead of a $10-15k marked up T. Especially considering what used vehicle pricing is doing and demand for $100k+ new sports cars starting to dwindle.
That is my dilemma. I love the concept of the T and initial reviews confirm it is what I want. But with enough mark up, moving to an S with most/all of the mechanical bits that make the T special, plus having the ability to option some things not available on a T (carbon ceramic brakes, bose), has me at least asking about the wait list for an S.
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Old 11-28-2022 | 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by tourenwagen
What's your current lock date? My SA told me I have a Feb build with a 1/17 build freeze. Assume that might mean I'm in the second wave?
I didn't get a specific dates from him when I asked just first week of Jan for lock and first week of Feb for build. I know these are technically just estimates so I didn't really push it. Seems like our build schedules are similar.
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Old 11-28-2022 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by balucipher
PTS shop is currently closed and nobody knows if it'll open back up this model year.

But at that price point you should absolutely get the GTS.
I get that it's irrational, but I actually prefer the idea of the T to the GTS. It's not really about the money at this point.
Old 11-28-2022 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by bluelines1974
I get that it's irrational, but I actually prefer the idea of the T to the GTS. It's not really about the money at this point.
For me it's the smaller turbos paired with the manual. Bigger brakes would be nice for track days, but I can make it work.
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