balucipher

This post has details about the options chosen on the 991.2 T's that made it across the Atlantic

https://rennlist.com/forums/991/1111...l#post15664695

tourenwagen

Precisely. I keep saying I'm not trying to convince anyone why the T is a special car. If you like it, you're right, If you don't like it, you're right.

bluelines1974

Looks like I was incorrect about dealers not being allowed to charge ADM in Canada, but I have never actually seen a Porsche dealer here do so. The $2,750 is I believe what they now charge for prepping the car and administering the paperwork. Much higher than it used to be from what I recall.

toph4242

as a fellow Boston resident who spends as much time on track as possible, I can tell you that I am trading in my current 992 with PDK for a T with a manual transmission for a few reasons. First, I will say the PDK is the best transmission on the market... it is lightning fast, paired with sport chrono and launch control I have seen 3.2 seconds to 60mph and there is almost nothing on the road that gets you those numbers at this price point. On track the PDK RIPS through the gears way better than I ever could. You actually don’t even want to go into paddle mode on track because you realize you aren’t helping in any way lol.

so, why am I going back to manual? The 992 has become so impressive that in PDK you really just crave more involvement. The PDK gets you to crazy fast speeds so quick that you feel a little bored. I love the car, love how convenient it is, and being able to flip the switch and do launches with friends, or just cruise back roads and highways without having to think about a thing is nice sometimes, but I want involvement.
I know that my track times will be slower, but I want to be a better driver and more involved driver on track and I will never really get better with the PDK. It’s always going to make up for whatever flaws I have if that makes sense. I want to enjoy the back roads more and row through the gears again, get on track and feel a little more challenged and focused on technique rather than just lap times...
the manual is also just not going to be around forever. This is potentially the last non hybrid 911... pair that with the manual and all the lightweight options in a heritage color like ruby star and we might just be snagging one of the last collectible editions of the pre electrification era!

toph4242

ive had the regular brakes on both a 992 generation and 991.1 generation 911 for 3-4 30min sessions with absolutely ZERO issues. These brakes are fantastic and you won’t be disappointed. I will say you might want to upgrade pads at some point just so you can extend the life over time... but I’ve never felt the need to back off them on a track day. I did 5 track days this summer, and over my 18 months of ownership put 15k miles on my 992 and never had to do anything to the brakes.
I just traded the car in for my T allocation and the dealer said there was more than 60% left on the brakes still

bluelines1974

I'm certain I would not be able to detect the difference between a T with rear seat delete, buckets, lightweight glass and carbon roof and one with 18-ways, rear seat, sunroof, etc., in terms of how it actually accelerates and handles. Maybe on the track these things become more significant, but even then you're only talking about 100 lbs of savings, or less than 3%. If someone likes the idea of those lightweight options, great, Porsche will let him spec to his heart's content.

Bobby 911

Not sure where you came up with that. It’s been long-established in racing that larger turbos are not as responsive. They take longer to spool up, which is why anyone who’s had real track time can easily detect more lag. In fact, it’s pretty easy to feel it just with spirited road driving.

Ikone

Sure, it's physics, right? If everything else is equal. These aren't turbos of the 70s or 80s. The tech Porsche puts into these things, especially the Turbo (and Turbo S) is nothing short of amazing. We're talking about a specific manufacturers turbos and comparing them against each other. Again, I'd like to see some real world data. Not speculation.

Bobby 911

Well said.

Yep. To each his own.

balucipher

The Carrera and Carrera S have the same base 9A2 engine, with 45 mm diameter turbines, the difference being the impellers on the compression side are 49 mm in the Carrera and 51 mm in the Carrera S; 13.1 psi of boost in the Carrera, 16 psi in the S.

In the 991.2 vehicles, the Carrera felt linear and the T got a lot of praise for manual + lightweight + linear powerband, which is what I think people are parroting about the base being the better driver's engine and more linear etc. In the 992 the powerband is vastly different on the base engine, here's Porsche's infographic on it highlighting the difference in torque delivery on the 992 vs. the 991.2:



The 992 base does feel slightly more linear than the 992S engine which is evident if you look closely at a dyno graph between the two, but this is countered by much more power and torque almost everywhere in the powerband - if you're shifting properly and not lugging the engine you're not down below the onset of the wall of torque.

Bobby 911

I’m not a big Matt Farah fan, but his reviews are always better when Zack joins him. They have good chemistry, but more importantly, Zack comes better prepared and is often able to correct Matt’s mistakes. This was a decent review and probably the most informative and interesting one released so far.

Ikone

Yeah. I've seen that chart. It's very interesting. I do wonder if anyone ever tested the turbos side by side to see the response time and boost. Not sure how you would do that without some sophisticated gear. Engineering Explained did a good video on one of the techniques Porsche employs for their turbos.

tourenwagen

Exactly how I feel about my 992 PDK S. The manual option on the PDK is great and I use it probably 90% of the time, but it doesn't hold a candle to actually rowing your own gears.

Porsch

Haha true. But let’s be honest. A lot of dealers are just plain clueless and simply didn’t understand what the 991.2 Carrera T was supposed to be. Regardless, Porsche’s intention with the T model was to appeal to a certain kind of driver and provide a unique driving experience. And I think that is all people mean when they refer to the T ethos or spirit.

adm63

My SA gave me a bit of pushback when I brought up that I'm thinking about deleting the rear seats, for resale of course lol