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Can’t imagine how much that Signal Green C2 would be worth it were not chopped up and modded like that. Probably RS money. It has to be the only one optioned in a bright color and sunroof delete in the US. Maybe there’s one other sunroof delete US car in either Maritime, Mint, Cobalt, Rubystone, or unusual PTS color. Unlikely though as there are only a handful of US sunroof delete’s. There’s still a chance as probably none of the sunroof delete’s were dealer specced and likely done by a customer which means a better chance of selecting an unusual color.
I love the way my cup looks even though it’s quite understated which I don’t mind. It’s simple yet beautiful and puristic. Think white supports this puristic note.
At events I’ve been asked a couple times about how much Cup’s go for. Respond back how much they think they go for. One responded $750k and another was $500k or something like that. Honestly couldn’t say how much one could go for it depends on a lot of different factors, but definitely don’t go for $750k. Maybe getting towards $500k if the car is a top example in front of the right audience which isn’t easy to find. There was one 26k-mile “port” car that was sold privately a couple years ago in the high 3’s and then resold not long afterwards for an extra $100k so I heard.
You know my opinion on the US cups. If I had the space and money. The second being the more optimal word, I would pick up a US cup. It was nice having Carmelo's cup for the time it was here. Still IMO the most misunderstood 911.
I completely forgot about that thread. Getting old and forgetful.
Uploaded price. €596k or $611k! One of the best one out there, but still.
Love it.
Good example of a point I harp on a bit. This car is clearly a collector and I doubt anyone is going to drive it, at this point. It represents a buyer and market where the rarity and collectibility is what dictates the value. There is a completely different market for really nice, drivable cars with some miles on them. RS, Turbos, WBTL, C2, RSA, C4..pretty much anything that is nice...even mods readily accepted in some cases - but there are buyers with money and are willing to pay for that nice specimen that they ALSO don't have to worry about leaving in a bubble....free to drive. I know people who will only buy cars like this (not cars destined to stored) and pay well for them. The main detractors are usuelly things like, accidents, color changes, distasteful or irreversible mods, corrosion or even evidence of corrosion and sometimes the number of owners starts to impact as well.
They're prices are crazy, but I hope they get it. Where was the 200K spent on that build? In reading the ad, I expected to see a built motor, but no.
Maybe factoring in every dollar spent, including original acquisition cost, insurance, maintenance, gas, opportunity cost from potential investments with the same cash. Lol.
Maybe factoring in every dollar spent, including original acquisition cost, insurance, maintenance, gas, opportunity cost from potential investments with the same cash. Lol.
The 'corner balance by Joey Seely' must be worth $50k alone!
"This 964 features exclusive grease smudges from Bruce Canepa."
lol
A hotrod, sort of. Price is steep but again, not a collector, a modified driver, which seem to be bringing some money lately. All very fun to talk about
This showed up randomly in my Instagram feed. Guess Brad Pitt ended up with the PTS Marble Grey C4 that Ryan Friedman had for sale a long time. I think it is the same car, but not 100% positive. Everything matches up and the one in the video is definitely an off white/gray. Even recognize where they are as I have a home about a 5-10 minute walk from there. What the hell are him and his girlfriend wearing? They’re matching as well.
A hotrod, sort of. Price is steep but again, not a collector, a modified driver, which seem to be bringing some money lately. All very fun to talk about
So with everything done to my C2 I should ask well over $200k but I doubt that is happening.
Originally Posted by RapidGT
This showed up randomly in my Instagram feed. Guess Brad Pitt ended up with the PTS Marble Grey C4 that Ryan Friedman had for sale a long time. I think it is the same car, but not 100% positive. Everything matches up and the one in the video is definitely an off white/gray. Even recognize where they are as I have a home about a 5-10 minute walk from there. What the hell are him and his girlfriend wearing? They’re matching as well.
He has been seen in it along with Keanu Reeves in his black 993. Marble grey is a great color. I had friend with a cherry 928 in marble over matador. Nice car.
On a related topic, I disagree that cars are bought as either an investment or to drive. This is a common theme on RL. I like my cars to be nearly perfect, but I also don't hesitate driving them. Fortunately, I have more than one, so it is true that when the weather it bad, or if I'm parking in a dicey neighborhood, I won't take a perfect and expensive car, but I'll still take something nice.
Every car IS an investment. Even if you are a track nut or never plan to sell the car, you are tying up money in an asset that in the future will provide service and a residual value for you or your heirs (and also has associated costs of maintaining etc.) To not consider what the car might be worth in the future to other buyers is equivalent to not considering the purchase price. Both impact the cost of ownership,
So, yes, I think about the value impact of driving a nearly perfect car, and that might make me drive it less than if there was no value impact, but I also don't drive the CGT (that I don't own) because I don't see getting the enjoyment out of that car that the cost would be. So they are all cost/benefit decisions.
What are you getting, and at what cost? Getting driving, the pleasure of working on it or looking at it, and the eventual residual value; and paying the upfront cost, insurance, tax, maintenance, storage, etc.
Short story, I disagree with the garage queen/driver distinction and put every car on a continuum.
When I bought my 993 from Richard Sloan, he said it was a driver because it had something 28k miles in its 8 years but was in perfect condition otherwise. Years later, he "offered" me (meaning wanted to sell it to one of his customers) 3x what I paid him because the market had rallied and a 30k mile car was valuable as a collectible.
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On a related topic, I disagree that cars are bought as either an investment or to drive. This is a common theme on RL. I like my cars to be nearly perfect, but I also don't hesitate driving them. Fortunately, I have more than one, so it is true that when the weather it bad, or if I'm parking in a dicey neighborhood, I won't take a perfect and expensive car, but I'll still take something nice.
Every car IS an investment. Even if you are a track nut or never plan to sell the car, you are tying up money in an asset that in the future will provide service and a residual value for you or your heirs (and also has associated costs of maintaining etc.) To not consider what the car might be worth in the future to other buyers is equivalent to not considering the purchase price. Both impact the cost of ownership,
So, yes, I think about the value impact of driving a nearly perfect car, and that might make me drive it less than if there was no value impact, but I also don't drive the CGT (that I don't own) because I don't see getting the enjoyment out of that car that the cost would be. So they are all cost/benefit decisions.
What are you getting, and at what cost? Getting driving, the pleasure of working on it or looking at it, and the eventual residual value; and paying the upfront cost, insurance, tax, maintenance, storage, etc.
Short story, I disagree with the garage queen/driver distinction and put every car on a continuum.
When I bought my 993 from Richard Sloan, he said it was a driver because it had something 28k miles in its 8 years but was in perfect condition otherwise. Years later, he "offered" me (meaning wanted to sell it to one of his customers) 3x what I paid him because the market had rallied and a 30k mile car was valuable as a collectible.
I think you missed my point, which was essentially that, hotrods, higher mileage but well-sorted cars are bringing good money from those who see value in not "devaluing" a prestine low-mile example...those that don't want a collector that never sees the light of day except the next time it's sold. Basically, it's a different buyer but they are proving to spend good money on the cars they want. Evidence is what many call the odd-ball, high-priced sale that is usually dismissed as someone who didn't know what they were doing....but I ask - didn't they, though? I also never said that a car wasn't an investment - but some people DO make that a priority.
It's great that you drive your cars - I don't know exactly what is in your stable but you must have considered that you might be in the minority? How many times have we seen a car for sale for the second time, haviing applied only a minimal number of miles over a number of years since the last time it sold?
