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COA’s have been wrong on these older Porsches, typically its options that get left off not the other way around. I owned a 29 option code 928 that had an incorrect COA, I knew this because I also had the original window sticker for the car and when compared there were several things left off the COA.
Agree BJ and Mecum aren’t the best venues for Porsche’s. They’ve had a few good offerings from time to time, but mostly average or mediocre cars. I’ll always associate them with muscle and domestic cars. Seems the demographic for both is still mostly that although it’s gotten better. Don’t know why Jerry Seinfeld chose Mecum of all the possible auction houses to sell the McQueen 917K. Gooding, RM, and Bonhams would’ve been better places. Or probably could’ve sold it privately. Though I’m not sure how much interest the car had at the price that he wanted suspect $30 million was the desired figure.
That white 3.6 something wasn’t quite right about it. Did think in 2022 it had some work done even though stuff like paint meter readings were in range and VIN tags present on Symbolic BaT listing. Noted that the windshield was very likely a replacement. Love GP White however with the gray interior it ruined it for me. Black, blue, magenta, or anything else is better than that interior color with white. Also it doesn’t age well as a lot of sections are discolored.
Anthony you noted on the 964 Turbo market forum it didn’t have crest in the headrests, but if you look closely on the Symbolic BaT listing it did. Very hard to tell. Do you think the COA not matching the option sticker is more a problem with the COA or the car itself? Know they get COA’s wrong especially on these older cars. The only option on the option sticker the car didn’t have was the center cap crests denoted by XD4. I’m not exactly sure of each of the special request options codes such as deviated stitching or carpets. Did the gray interior come with dark gray piping and stitching? COA also says carpets in deviating color which thought this interior color had those color carpets?
I figured the #20 would be closer to $30M. Heck McQueen's Watches and other cars sold for multiples of anything similar and this is probably the most Iconic movie, race and McQueen car there is. Mecum even though they put more into it than usual does a mediocre job at promoting and working the bid. Just as with the BB car.
The white turbo has more ?? than I realized. I am not sure what to make of it. I am assuming since noon touched it that it has all sorts of hidden stories. I have several incorrect CofA's that I had to send in a copy of my monroney sticker to have them get correct. Mine look different but were after Schwab's Presidency at PCNA. I believe he retired in 2003. Although I think it is either way off or a fake. I looked over the Symbolic listing and a lot has changed but I think some of what is throwing me off happened prior to the recent sale. The symbolic listing shows a version of the factory info from the database. Unfortunately, actually fortunately, my son is switching jobs moving to Paul Miller Porsche in a few weeks so I don't have access for the time being. So #1 either the database is incorrect or the CofA or the interior has been replaced to match the CofA. Or anything is possible with him. Although Interior codes are Nathan's strong point as I haven't been able to source a copy of the factory documents that doesn't break the bank and I don't have the same need. The database shows carpet code of 6YR which should be light gray not classic or deviating color as stated. It would appear the seats were dyed not once but twice. I find it very hard to remove the staining shown in the symbolic listing. It could be obscuring the deviated stitching and crest however the crest in the BaT listing doesn't look like the ones I am used to seeing and there are no factory listings for codes Z21 Deviated stitching, Z33 deviated Piping, Z53 Crest in headrest or Z69 deviated carpeting. I am used to seeing these codes when looking at other cars with these options. If you meter my C2 it reads very similar to this turbo and my C2 has been repainted. Although most people think it is original. I would need to look and feel the car over but what I see has me ?? the originality. I am not saying it was but little things like the lack of definition where panels are welded and excessive roughness in the engine compartment. The door pins sitting lower than I am used to seeing etc. Although White is the toughest color to look at in pictures. I also find it odd that the door skin is painted or looks fresh while the underside of the door is filthy and colors seem to vary. You can see what looks like fresh paint on the underside door photos of the current listing. I can go on and on but I think the car speaks for itself.
I am sure for the money it is a decent car. I hope the buyer bought it to enjoy it and not as an investment as all these seem to be lately.
So just a quick addition
Here is a copy of the CofA that came with my car. It was not correct and I had to submit for a revised one when I received the car. It is dated 2000 and has a raised seal. CofA from my turbo from 2000 it has a number of mistakes and missing info. All my CofA's look different but none look like the one from the white car. My car has leather center console door pulls and full leather seats. The white car is listed as full leather but has full vinyl dash, center console and door pulls, etc.??
I suspect this is a fake but can't say for sure. I believe the car did not come this way. But won't know until I can pull the vin in a few weeks.
Also if you look at the same area on the white car it shows signs of tape from below and when removed a little residual paint was remaining. Usually original paint cars I expect to look like mine.
Clean line along the area just above the sound deadening pad.
Outer skin paint color is identical to the underside of the door vs what appears to be a different shade on the white car.
Only familiar with this car as I happened to run across it online a couple of days ago. While it looks like a great clean car, the only pricing logic I can guess is that it is a dealer's first offer. I found myself in a similar situation and was pleasantly surprised at how quickly the dealer came down to meet my price. As an owner (Cab), selfishly hope they get it...but agree with your price assessment...$150K seems overly generous to me for a C2.
Have your friend ask for the Porsche Classic restoration bill and you can gauge from there if asking price or offer price is acceptable. Knowing first hand, any restoration of that nature done by PCC is not cheap. Good luck!
I have been involved and seen so many of the Porsche classic restoration cars and I hate to say it I wouldn't touch most and don't consider what I have sen as work I would pay for. Rarely do I see a dealership that has half the knowledge as the collective here. The 3.6T that won the prior year and displayed at Rennsport was far from what I call an exemplary job. The prior years car had all sorts of incorrect parts. If it were sent back to the factory it is another story. Just because it is a Porsche approved classic shop doesn't mean much of anything from what I see. Although this appears nicer than some that I have seen.
The dealership that won last year my son was involved with and the cost for that build was over $300k. Dealerships charge usually on a sliding scale and the price escalates quickly. I suspect the bill for the build was $200k.
So for point of reference I can sell my C2 with a lot of parts, slick top conversion, new interior and so much more for close to the asking of this car and my car has a lot more added and time spent on it. I also know my work surpasses most anything I have seen some of the better dealerships produce.
I have been involved and seen so many of the Porsche classic restoration cars and I hate to say it I wouldn't touch most and don't consider what I have sen as work I would pay for. Rarely do I see a dealership that has half the knowledge as the collective here. The 3.6T that won the prior year and displayed at Rennsport was far from what I call an exemplary job. The prior years car had all sorts of incorrect parts. If it were sent back to the factory it is another story. Just because it is a Porsche approved classic shop doesn't mean much of anything from what I see. Although this appears nicer than some that I have seen.
The dealership that won last year my son was involved with and the cost for that build was over $300k. Dealerships charge usually on a sliding scale and the price escalates quickly. I suspect the bill for the build was $200k.
So for point of reference I can sell my C2 with a lot of parts, slick top conversion, new interior and so much more for close to the asking of this car and my car has a lot more added and time spent on it. I also know my work surpasses most anything I have seen some of the better dealerships produce.
I was going to say similar. The "Porsche Classic" designation of a dealer is more of a franchise than anything else. I think that it's great that they are makign an effort at all to support older cars (however, it's certainly profitable) but you still need to select the correct shop and team of people if you really just want to drop a car off and have it "restored" with no expense spared.
Tongue-in-cheek, but it seems to consistently net RNM / lower #s for certain cars.
they still do not have the scope of audience that BaT has. C&Bs likely has a larger audience than PCar. BaT can be a pain for the seller, but it certainly seems to generate the money a car is worth.
they still do not have the scope of audience that BaT has. C&Bs likely has a larger audience than PCar. BaT can be a pain for the seller, but it certainly seems to generate the money a car is worth.
I am sorry I don't see it that way. I see at as a sellers haven. Many cars I see sell for more then I would consider reasonable for what they are. If the hard questions aren't allowed to be asked then the trusting buyer usually gets taken. Although there are some honest sellers. It is up to the individual to guess which is which.
