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Old 06-07-2014 | 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by kiwi 911
but I think Chris B said they are 0.5 - 1.0 sec quicker. Maybe he can confirm?
Yeah, when Steve and I did a back to back day that's about right. I can't remember what compounds we used though, that's always been the problem with the 221s.
Old 06-07-2014 | 09:59 PM
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And you have to remember that a road legal car is a $10k saving in trailer, plus the storage space equation and in reality you'll probably drive it a lot more to track days & event simply because its easier. Which means more seat time.
^^^^^ 100% Agreed. If I owned a factory or lived on a life style block - a race car is easier to manage. But even though I am house-less (as the wife reminds me), the equation will be a 650-850m2 section with double garage that I can possibly turn into a 3 car garage somehow. No trailer space. I like the idea of turning the key and driving to the track. Yes - a road car will be 1 sec a lap slower in the PCNZ series, but you can remove 200kg to even the odd's as you are 'set-up' and chq book racing to a speed bar before you breakout.

I would be more interested in doing Play Days, Arrow's and enduro's than trying to win PCNZ series. It's all about seat time for me.........
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Old 06-07-2014 | 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Macca
John. Its not all about height as Paul demonstrated this weekend. Its mostly about suspension and geo. You now have the car IMO set up how you shoudl have all along. I have absolutely no doubt you will break 1.20 this time and not look back.
It feels very stable and chuck able if that makes sense. The 221s seem to turn easier than the road tyres but that may in part be due to all of the rubber they picked up at Ruapuna. They will need a good scrubbing lap or two before I can push them.
Old 06-07-2014 | 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by KiwiSean
I have one of the few ex-bridgestone road legal 964s that I know of, but when I look back at race photos I see quite a few cars with plates. They must all be sitting in sheds around the country?

Paul, any idea?

I think Steve has a couple of 968s in storage doesn't he? Why are 944s preferred over them?
Sean, I believe a lot of the ex 964 race cars are in the SI doing the Rennsport and Scope races. I think you are only talking about 10 cars max, 5-ish real RS/Cup cars and 5-ish C2's modified. Most the real RS/Cup cars are now being turned into show ponies due to their value??

So the pool is only a few cars really??

P.s. - what's your record around HD?
Old 06-07-2014 | 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Macca
Sean. I think you may find many of those RHD "rich mans toys" back in the day were turned back into road cars and later sold after the first owners had had their fun. I know it was the case with a few of the genuine NZ 964RS that competed.

Ive always wondered same re 968. Scarcity of manual examples and 3,000 capacity may have been issues.

Interestingly there are SFA 993s racing even in the mid 90s when they were new. The 964s dominate the field - seems few 993s were turned into race cars from new or even used.

EMD gave me the stats somewhere on 964 and 993 imports some years back. 125 NZ new x 993 in all guises with around 52 via used import. The 964 numbers were around the same new but the import numbers were far greater (over 125!). The Asian economic crisis pushed plenty to our shores in the early 90s. That was mostly over by the late 90s. It really affected 968 sales in the region also
What you say makes sense, my car has had the cage cut out and put back in a couple of times.

Yes, photos seem light on 993s. From what I hear of those days there was some really great 964 RS and RS replica racing though. Wish I had more photos of Mr Cameron racing my car. I really should go back and piece together the photographic history of the car. PAUL- you got anything?

There were a couple of 993 GT2s kicking around though weren't there? I think Lister told me he went with one to LeMans? Seems like a lot of money has left NZ Motorsport since those glory days.
Old 06-07-2014 | 10:12 PM
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John. 993 Data below. Cant find 964 data so if you want this contact Eric Waanders at EMD or Greg Clarke. I was mistaken - 120 units NZ new and only 48 units private import at the time this was compiled but suspect that's more like 65 units today.

There is no split in the figures I was supplied manual vs auto. I believe a little fewer 964s were sold new in NZ than 993 and the split would have been at least 70% manual at the time (there were turbo 3.3 + 3.6 + RS + C4 etc all manual). The 964 however has twice the number of later imported cars from Asia and the the split was 70% tipo vs manual so you can see what has skewed the NZ figures.

I did find some notes indicating 260 x 964s in NZ in 2011 including imports.

NZ but be one of teh few countries in the regions where today there are probably 50% more 964 registered on NZ roads than 993. Actually that number seems greater sometimes but maybe because you don't see 993s driving around so often due to value or garage queen.


Carrera Coupe Carrera Cabriolet Carrera S Carrera 4 Coupe Carrera 4 Cabriolet Carrera 4S RS Targa Turbo Coupe Turbo S GT2
1994 20 1 21
1995 15 7 4 26
1996 11 3 7 3 7 11 1 43
1997 2 1 4 1 5 5 6 24
1998 1 4 1 6
Totals 48 12 4 5 12 3 13 21 1 1 120
Old 06-07-2014 | 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by kiwi 911
Sean, I believe a lot of the ex 964 race cars are in the SI doing the Rennsport and Scope races. I think you are only talking about 10 cars max, 5-ish real RS/Cup cars and 5-ish C2's modified. Most the real RS/Cup cars are now being turned into show ponies due to their value??

So the pool is only a few cars really??

P.s. - what's your record around HD?
Thanks. If I move back I might actually try and pull all the information and locate the cars into some sort of registry/ book. There's a 3.8 RS that I want to see too!

Best I've done is 16.3, I'd say there's another second in the car though. Not sure what Steve thinks.
Old 06-07-2014 | 10:19 PM
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This will make it easier.

Total 993 in NZ estimated 185 cars including imports. Assume 65% manual
Total 964 in NZ estimate 280 cars assume 50% manual

Sean. Yes there was 1 x NZ 993GT2 sold here - ex Bill Farmer I have pictures of the car in road trim somewhere. It was sent to UK to be build into Newman LeMans contender for the kiwi team. He also ordered another but it was delivered in UK and I dont believe was C16 thus not part of NZ stats.

Stats below direct from EMD.
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Old 06-08-2014 | 12:53 AM
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And you have to remember that a road legal car is a $10k saving in trailer, plus the storage space equation and in reality you'll probably drive it a lot more to track days & event simply because its easier. Which means more seat time.

^^^^^ 100% Agreed. If I owned a factory or lived on a life style block - a race car is easier to manage. But even though I am house-less (as the wife reminds me), the equation will be a 650-850m2 section with double garage that I can possibly turn into a 3 car garage somehow. No trailer space. I like the idea of turning the key and driving to the track. Yes - a road car will be 1 sec a lap slower in the PCNZ series, but you can remove 200kg to even the odd's as you are 'set-up' and chq book racing to a speed bar before you breakout.

I would be more interested in doing Play Days, Arrow's and enduro's than trying to win PCNZ series. It's all about seat time for me.........
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don't overlook the possibility of height in the garage planning. Then the option of a lift or if less ambitious a stacker. Maybe then a 4 berth for long term planning
Old 06-08-2014 | 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by John McM
A good Sunday morning video to watch. Great content and video production. Not sure who he is, but he's got the bug bad. 911S, 911T, 964 race car, 928. Plus a Ducati. Looks like a lost brother to Dave and Macca.

Dave watching that video you have a LOT of work to get your interior sorted.
Lots to do alright, haven't really got going yet.
Old 06-08-2014 | 01:52 AM
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Lola is all ready for next Sunday. New door handles compliments of ChrisM's 964 parts bin. Gold D90's looking sharp. Man those standard seats weigh a ton. All I need is some decent 16" tyres. Maybe I'll have got through these ones by NITT time.
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Old 06-08-2014 | 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by John McM
It's as low as Peter A recommended so this is it. Hopefully I can go lower than 19.57 this weekend with the new suspension all sorted. However, with Paul doing 1.16.xx I don't see much point running with him as he'll lose me.

Paul, did you run the AIM Solo and see where you made up the time?
Yes - you can borrow it this week if you wish. I'd like to know too.
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Old 06-08-2014 | 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by gt38088
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don't overlook the possibility of height in the garage planning. Then the option of a lift or if less ambitious a stacker. Maybe then a 4 berth for long term planning
Agreed - I did this on the house I just sold. It had a 2.7 stud and 33 degree ceiling which was sufficient to stack a Porsche in the garage slots behind the first bay. This only works if 2 deep due to garage door opening (unless you go with roller door - but I haven't seen a roller door on a residential house in 10 years??
Old 06-08-2014 | 02:07 AM
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Lola just lost 22.7kg. Was curious so weighed the seat.
Old 06-08-2014 | 02:14 AM
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Paul those your numbers? that ups the performance targets for a tuned 993 road car? and no proper lsd yet. Whats the plan now? you must be tempted to keep going down this path a bit further yet. haha its hard to pull back


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