John McM

Yes, it's the configuration you are looking at.

John McM

You are welcome to fit Herman's passenger seat. I've taken it out to protect it from damage at the sprints

John McM

Unlikely I will beat you to it in reality. I'm going to quiz Simon on the approach to being competitive. There's a reason many of the cars are passed on. Jason won Class C with Simon's old 944. Right now I don't know enough about this. Kev is adamant that road legal limits the set up. Anyway, plenty of time and I'm happy to hang back and learn from the others experience.

peterC2S

That's probably true re the compromise being road legal - however it's only part of the equation. There's a whole lot more to competitiveness; engine, suspension, weight, trans.... driver. And cars being passed on is also just part of a natural progression - even with the best car in the field a novice driver is unlikely to be competitive straight out of the box. You don't want a piece of junk but any of the well sorted 944's that has been proven is probably OK for a starter.

And you have to remember that a road legal car is a $10k saving in trailer, plus the storage space equation and in reality you'll probably drive it a lot more to track days & event simply because its easier. Which means more seat time.

Macca

Absolutely agree with the above. We talk alot about cars on here but not about drivers. If you use the car to make up for the driver I think you will only go so far then hit a ceiling. I really like the way Pete had chosen his car. Infact there would be more available like this (road legal) if only NZ racers started with RHD examples for their projects instead of saving 10K at the front end on an unloved mistakenly imported LHD ex Japan shell. Proper 964/993/996/997 Cup cars being the exception of course as they come LHD only from the factory. Apart from a weight penalty (which may not actually matter is the race is handicapped to weight rules) I cant see any reason why you cant have a road legal "race car". Then you have the options for storage, driving to events (must be a real logistics challenge with a trailer, tow car etc especially for long distance events where otherwise you could ship the car and drive the last few 100 km in the car). If the car has adjustable extremal gas reservoirs for the shocks and monoballs with front camber plates and you have a competent mechanic and a device like the one Graeme recommends for camber (I have one of these now and by all accounts a very nicely made and solid piece of kit) you can set up your camber on the spot for differing tracks along with shock firmness. Adjustable sway bars finish the on site prep. I guess it depends how serious you are, but if you arent already showing a natural penchant for being quick it may be a waste of money anyhow. The great thing about Petes rig is it can be used in Targa (must be road legal) historic events (its about old enough shortly) as well as being no disadvantage in Enduro where outright pace isnt as critical. Lastly a friendly specialist Porsche mechanic should be sympathetic at WOF.....as I say just a shame there arent more 964/944/968 race cars set up this way....

KiwiSean

I have one of the few ex-bridgestone road legal 964s that I know of, but when I look back at race photos I see quite a few cars with plates. They must all be sitting in sheds around the country?

Paul, any idea?

I think Steve has a couple of 968s in storage doesn't he? Why are 944s preferred over them?

mjg

Found some photos of Pete in action. Tony in the foreground of the first shot. Not sure who took these, looks like they must've had the appropriate hi-vis vest and media pass, as they were shooting from privileged locations.

Macca

Sean. I think you may find many of those RHD "rich mans toys" back in the day were turned back into road cars and later sold after the first owners had had their fun. I know it was the case with a few of the genuine NZ 964RS that competed.

Ive always wondered same re 968. Scarcity of manual examples and 3,000 capacity may have been issues.

Interestingly there are SFA 993s racing even in the mid 90s when they were new. The 964s dominate the field - seems few 993s were turned into race cars from new or even used.

EMD gave me the stats somewhere on 964 and 993 imports some years back. 125 NZ new x 993 in all guises with around 52 via used import. The 964 numbers were around the same new but the import numbers were far greater (over 125!). The Asian economic crisis pushed plenty to our shores in the early 90s. That was mostly over by the late 90s. It really affected 968 sales in the region also

John McM

All set for the Sprints. I've fitted the track wheels to make sure there's no rubbing. Seems ok. Not sure how people people get the fronts as low as they do and keep the wheels off the guards.

John McM

Tui?

Macca

Negative camber John. At minus two and a half degrees front and rear I dont think youll be having an issue with rubbing...

John McM

It's as low as Peter A recommended so this is it. Hopefully I can go lower than 19.57 this weekend with the new suspension all sorted. However, with Paul doing 1.16.xx I don't see much point running with him as he'll lose me.

Paul, did you run the AIM Solo and see where you made up the time?

kiwi 911

Might take you up on that offer.

that is very thoughtful of you john to remove all surplus things from your car to protect them.

There was a post I put on here about 500 pages back that showed lots of small things you could do to remove weight from a 964. You need to find it. It's amazing how the little things add up.

You need to look at an RS carpet kit and removing sound deadening. Also decide on whether you use heating in the car and there are around 10kgs sitting behind the dash.

The thing is to remove the electric sunroof and replace with a CF panel - I understand there is 16kg here from IB threads I read in the past??

If you have a lazy $2K, go buy some 214's - I have never driven them back to back with 221's, (both feel good to me), but I think Chris B said they are 0.5 - 1.0 sec quicker. Maybe he can confirm?

Macca

John. Its not all about height as Paul demonstrated this weekend. Its mostly about suspension and geo. You now have the car IMO set up how you shoudl have all along. I have absolutely no doubt you will break 1.20 this time and not look back.

John McM

It would be interesting to know what the model composition is. I suspect there are a lot more manual 2wd 993s than comparable 964s around. The market has a reasonable number of C4 964s around but many seem to be cabs or Targas. I suspect manual coupes are relatively rare and manual C2s like rocking horse doo doo.