John McM

Money burning a hole in your pocket? Don't forget the 964 option that would have you out there in weeks

993 Targa

Spotted that one. A bit expensive perhaps? Also probably a bit sacrilegious to turn one that nice into a race car.

kiwi 911

Problem is you can buy a GT3 for almost the same money........
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Obsessed

That's Ivan's car, I think he went to an RSG day? Wonder if he's upgrading, might have to send him a message and see.

kiwi 911

How did the paint repair go?
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Ridgeline911

There is a Targa Shakedown at HD on the 7th of May. Anyone else going?

kiwi 911

Find out the gosp and let us know.
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peterC2S

By the time you turned the 944 into a race car you'd have spent close to GT3 money as well. Can do it cheaper but you wouldn't want to settle for 2nd best...

Good spot - let us know. He only lasted a session at the RSG day. Was a good looking car though.

John McM

Herman has his Fuchs back on, a wash and a full fuel tank. Running very sweetly. Brembo pads have lots of meat left considering the distance travelled.

Also looked at the front rubbers. Can't honestly see anything wrong with them. Change of plan. Get the RUF Bilsteins back on, set the stance and see what Lola's up to.

John McM

Sue wanted $53,000. A lot less than a GT3 and the 964 is race ready. Base 964s are on the rise so you shouldn't see any depreciation.

BTW 2 Turbo 3.6s just sold for $210,000 and $226,000 in Europe. Not low km examples. I think that ship has well and truly sailed.

Macca

Paul. I agree with Pete. Building a decent 944 race car capable of circulating HD quicker than you can do in your current 993 (assumes 1.17.XX) will not be cheap. Id guess a little north of the cost of Sues race prepared 964 which will be at least 2s a lap quicker.

I cant see you buying a race car and circulating HD slower than your 993 or me in mine for very long mate. Just being a realist here.

Matt can chip in here. I think a 996 GT3 is still the most logical upgrade from a 993. Assume 95K once purchased and you have everything sorted to your satisfaction (brakes, exhaust, wheels, tyres etc). Basically thats another 20K on from where you are at with the 993 now.

One thing worth pointing out tho is that an absolutely bone stock 15 year old 996 GT3 may not be a whole load quicker around HD than a well sorted 993. Maybe only 2s a lap (those 2s will be on the straights and under acceleration not brakes or twisty stuff IMO), until you spend money on the car. Nigel is the most experienced driver amongst us and with a few tweaks to that car I hear 1.14.

You have two options if you want one competitive 911. Ive had a good think on this and I think its possible to push the 993 to 1.15.8 at HD without engine work. Mainly suspension, brakes and a bit of weight reduction (easy for you with lighter seats etc). I believe it would definitely be quicker than a GT3 up to 3.8 generation through the corners and under brakes to get that time but obviously looses with its 100-150 bhp deficit.

The next stage on above would be to throw $30K at a factory style 3.8 upgrade using Mahl pistons and heads etc. With some nice porting and smart cam choice you could probably with a good builder get an optimised 315-320 bhp on motronics for a very reliable street and track package and it would be like a factory 3.8 993 then. Nothing too hot rod - something solid and dependable. Steve could build this. The key here would be using ARP & maybe Pauter rods with better springs and retainers to lift the limiter to 7400 and get a cam specialist like webcam to supply a billet cam with around 2.4mm lift that can push the power peak up around 6900 rpm.

An engine like above gives you the benefit of "torque" more than power outright. You should be seeing around 280+lbft if its well build and tuned even using stock intake manifolds, airbox and MAF. Thats another 30+lbft on the 3.6 and flatter too.

With a 7400 limiter you will beable to hang onto 3rd gear longer at HD, and teh smaller tracks *Manfield, Levels, Teretonga etc). This would be really handy as both of us were driving to the limiter in 3rd on those tracks and just bouncing the needle till the down change! Another 500 rpm headroom and it would be majic, especially with a higher peak power rpm and even down teh straights where you would short shift around 7000 it gives you another 400 rpm up your seleve for overrun.

Trick with above engine would be LWFC and pullys etc keep the repricating mass down so it still revs like a 3.6 or faster.

What would it be worth at HD? Lots of speculating here but the clear gains would be coming out of corners and on the 2 smaller straights and naturally the big long one. Looking at historic traces Id have to say 1s down the main straight - you should get a vMax around 212-214kmph with that extra 15% slug of torque. Obviously less gained in the shorter straights but I do believe some advantage with at least one less gear shift per lap at HD. Id say another 0.5s all round but with some left on the table once you got used to getting the best from the power delivery.

So 1.15.8 could see you down to 1.14.3 with the right skill set and a nicely set up 3.8/320/280 engine with stronger rods/bolts/springs and the correct cam and increased rev limiter. In the right hands this could be better (or likely in my hands worse LOL).

Just something to chew on. Its definitely where I see the development of my own car heading over time. I think ultimately there is something satisfying about taking an archaic platform and making it handle much better giving cars that are much newer something to be nervous about (not that I expect any 93 to keep up with the 996-997 gen GT3s if they are driven well but nice to beable to keep them in visibility for an entire 7 laps!). What a dream it would be to be doing 1.14s in an old girl just for ****s & giggles. Bet it will feel way scarier than doing a 1.14 in a 2010 GT3!

peterC2S

Paul - or you could buy Kevin's and find a way to make it more reliable. Its a rocketship and would blow the above numbers away.

Macca

^^^^ If an additional space exists for a car in you garage then agreed Kevins 44 would be alot of fun. The racers word "on the street" is that it could take alot of time and money io develop it into a reliable platform however.

Macca

Something someone much wiser taught me at the beginning of all this many years ago.

Speed/Reliability/Cost

You can have a tick in any two boxes but never all three!

Macca

John. Great news on the 3.6 residuals. Those left hookers are picking up some pace. The Europeans have been stashing their cash in cars for the last 2+ years. I think well see a little heat come out of that market once their equity markets start performing again over the next 18-24 months. For now cars have been a safe haven during low interest rates and increasing taxes. I think we are seeing a bubble forming in some markets now for early stuff. Definitely would be worth you getting yours over to the UK well before the end of next year to capitalise on things....