Any Rennlisters from New Zealand?
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Yes - easy - give Jon Warring a chq for $35K and a good donor SC engine or C3/3.0T case (if you can find one).
You will get PMO (or MFI if you can find all the bits - better add another $10K), 3.2 short stroke, twin plug, EFI, and compression of around 10.5. Jon has built a few of these motors. I have seen a copy of this motor build by Jon in the flesh and was told by the owner he dynoed at 275hp. The engine is currently in a 69T with broken head stud.
You will get PMO (or MFI if you can find all the bits - better add another $10K), 3.2 short stroke, twin plug, EFI, and compression of around 10.5. Jon has built a few of these motors. I have seen a copy of this motor build by Jon in the flesh and was told by the owner he dynoed at 275hp. The engine is currently in a 69T with broken head stud.
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Bob,
Just buy this one............
73 E chassis
Genuine RS engine
$200K bare metal rebuild
For $circa $110K...........................
http://www.carpoint.com.au/all-cars/...3491045&Cr=259
Just buy this one............
73 E chassis
Genuine RS engine
$200K bare metal rebuild
For $circa $110K...........................
http://www.carpoint.com.au/all-cars/...3491045&Cr=259
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That incredible value on those seats! Do they have a brand name?
I'm awaiting the final parts for my build & then I'll have to think about booking a slot at Gantspeed for later in the summer for them to start the rebuild.
I saw on the RL 964 board there's a sticky for prepping a no-expense spared 964 racer, which supposedly dyno'ed 412 rwhp - if that's accurate that's an incredible figure for a 3.8 air-cooled motor! For a 4-valve GT3 I can quite believe it, but for an aircooled motor that's amazing!
I'm awaiting the final parts for my build & then I'll have to think about booking a slot at Gantspeed for later in the summer for them to start the rebuild.
I saw on the RL 964 board there's a sticky for prepping a no-expense spared 964 racer, which supposedly dyno'ed 412 rwhp - if that's accurate that's an incredible figure for a 3.8 air-cooled motor! For a 4-valve GT3 I can quite believe it, but for an aircooled motor that's amazing!
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I do have that itch as you say...most of the fun is the search/build etc
That viper car is no doubt spotless in the body trim etc but the engine is std 210hp (and not rebuilt) and so with the big $ talked about here re engines that car gets too expensive. NZD 150 landed so I think you would want to be happy to keep it as it is.
That viper car is no doubt spotless in the body trim etc but the engine is std 210hp (and not rebuilt) and so with the big $ talked about here re engines that car gets too expensive. NZD 150 landed so I think you would want to be happy to keep it as it is.
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That incredible value on those seats! Do they have a brand name?
I'm awaiting the final parts for my build & then I'll have to think about booking a slot at Gantspeed for later in the summer for them to start the rebuild.
I saw on the RL 964 board there's a sticky for prepping a no-expense spared 964 racer, which supposedly dyno'ed 412 rwhp - if that's accurate that's an incredible figure for a 3.8 air-cooled motor! For a 4-valve GT3 I can quite believe it, but for an aircooled motor that's amazing!
I'm awaiting the final parts for my build & then I'll have to think about booking a slot at Gantspeed for later in the summer for them to start the rebuild.
I saw on the RL 964 board there's a sticky for prepping a no-expense spared 964 racer, which supposedly dyno'ed 412 rwhp - if that's accurate that's an incredible figure for a 3.8 air-cooled motor! For a 4-valve GT3 I can quite believe it, but for an aircooled motor that's amazing!
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Thanks for putting those numbers in perspective Macca. The financial costs of these developments often go unreported, especially if it's a specialist shop doing an in-house project or an experienced mechanic/race-car builder doing a personal project.
All of which makes secondhand GT3s look exceptional value and should perhaps help to manage expectations as to how far a 964/993 engine can be tuned without resort to bottomless pockets!
All of which makes secondhand GT3s look exceptional value and should perhaps help to manage expectations as to how far a 964/993 engine can be tuned without resort to bottomless pockets!
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Tim you hit the nail on the head. To get the performance you would from a 996 GT3 engine and run the same 7600 rpm limiter you would need to spend 60k nzd+. Thats say a 380 bhp 3.8 conversion. Now add in a set of brakes from the GT3 and you have already exceed the value of a used 996.1 GT3 in NZ.
This is why it makes absolutely no sane sense for any of us mere mortals to try and get 6GT3 type performance from our 964/993s on any type of realistic budget below 150k nzd. Especially when the resale value on a modified car like that is only a fraction above a stock cars value. I guess we all aspire to it and we all love to fiddle with our cars which gives us lots of pleasure but it comes at a cost of course.
If you just want to have reliable and fast track day fun then a 10 year old used GT3 is definitely the ticket and you can even go to work in it. If you want an air cooled experience and build a unique vehicle thats quick on track but not fast then pockets of $$$ and alot of passion is required. ...
......I guess that's why none of us on here are rich then!
This is why it makes absolutely no sane sense for any of us mere mortals to try and get 6GT3 type performance from our 964/993s on any type of realistic budget below 150k nzd. Especially when the resale value on a modified car like that is only a fraction above a stock cars value. I guess we all aspire to it and we all love to fiddle with our cars which gives us lots of pleasure but it comes at a cost of course.
If you just want to have reliable and fast track day fun then a 10 year old used GT3 is definitely the ticket and you can even go to work in it. If you want an air cooled experience and build a unique vehicle thats quick on track but not fast then pockets of $$$ and alot of passion is required. ...
......I guess that's why none of us on here are rich then!
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Car update. It is now seven weeks since I dropped my car off for a pre-track day check.
My oil adventure burned out two lobes on each camshaft and six rockers had excessive wear due to oil starvation. Goodbye $1,600 in parts, but that's the cheap part. It's also getting new rings, bearings etc and a reseal.
The clutch was good for maybe one track day so replacing that while it's accessible is some comfort.
Exhaust valve guides needed replacement as did valve stem seals. Overall engine state was good prior to this adventure so I don't think other 964 owners should be too nervous.
Planetary pins being welded as well. Also am replacing the front two oil lines as they are weeping at the rubber/metal joins.
I somehow doubt the car is going to make the gymkhana or track day. I'm booked in for the gymkhana and will choose which car to take on the day. I think I'll likely take the Turbo 3.6 as it's closer to 964 handling and this day is not going to be hard on the car.
Ducktail should arrive next week, as will the spoiler grille. Also getting Brian to quote on Hankook shoes for the Fuchs.
My oil adventure burned out two lobes on each camshaft and six rockers had excessive wear due to oil starvation. Goodbye $1,600 in parts, but that's the cheap part. It's also getting new rings, bearings etc and a reseal.
The clutch was good for maybe one track day so replacing that while it's accessible is some comfort.
Exhaust valve guides needed replacement as did valve stem seals. Overall engine state was good prior to this adventure so I don't think other 964 owners should be too nervous.
Planetary pins being welded as well. Also am replacing the front two oil lines as they are weeping at the rubber/metal joins.
I somehow doubt the car is going to make the gymkhana or track day. I'm booked in for the gymkhana and will choose which car to take on the day. I think I'll likely take the Turbo 3.6 as it's closer to 964 handling and this day is not going to be hard on the car.
Ducktail should arrive next week, as will the spoiler grille. Also getting Brian to quote on Hankook shoes for the Fuchs.
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John. Look on the bright side. There should be 100k km of trouble free motoring ahead of you after this!
Good idea replacing those oil lines. They supply the lifeblood of the engine. A few Singapore 964/993 owners have recently had to replace the full circuit of lines. I think this is one area that suffers in humid climates. If you weren't already facing a large bill Id suggest an aux oil cooler for a car that will be tracked regularly. Im researching this currently for our cars and its not an expensive upgrade and good security.
I agree it wont likely be ready for the 9th but you may as well take your time and cover all bases while its apart. You have an alternative vehicle for the gymkhana and could probably get some more experience on HD using the turbo just to keep learning the lines.
While the car is in pieces why dont you have the shocks removed and sent to that Bilstein Penrose agent for testing. Its probably only 1-2 hrs labour and given you are likely doing a full geo may as well have those checked out in their downtime in case they need a rebuild. Given their age (I imagine fitted in Sing 10-15 years ago) it would be a good use of the downtime. Deans boys can check all sway bar bushes, tie rods and suspension arm joints while taking out the shocks to make sure everything is in good condition. No point finding out after a few track days that the top shock mount rubber mount is perished and have to remove the shocks again. Sway bar bushes can go hard or perish and drop link joints can freeze up over time. Obviously a brake disc and pad check is on the list and some fresh brake fluid.
Look forward to photos once those Fuch's and ducktail are fitted. Get the ride height sorted before the Geo. Deans boys know how to lower the shocks. Currently it rides like SUV. Its going to be a totally different car once you get to finally drive it. After that the gains will come with ripping out 100kg which given the stock chairs and carpet should be a fairly low cost and rewarding improvement.
Good idea replacing those oil lines. They supply the lifeblood of the engine. A few Singapore 964/993 owners have recently had to replace the full circuit of lines. I think this is one area that suffers in humid climates. If you weren't already facing a large bill Id suggest an aux oil cooler for a car that will be tracked regularly. Im researching this currently for our cars and its not an expensive upgrade and good security.
I agree it wont likely be ready for the 9th but you may as well take your time and cover all bases while its apart. You have an alternative vehicle for the gymkhana and could probably get some more experience on HD using the turbo just to keep learning the lines.
While the car is in pieces why dont you have the shocks removed and sent to that Bilstein Penrose agent for testing. Its probably only 1-2 hrs labour and given you are likely doing a full geo may as well have those checked out in their downtime in case they need a rebuild. Given their age (I imagine fitted in Sing 10-15 years ago) it would be a good use of the downtime. Deans boys can check all sway bar bushes, tie rods and suspension arm joints while taking out the shocks to make sure everything is in good condition. No point finding out after a few track days that the top shock mount rubber mount is perished and have to remove the shocks again. Sway bar bushes can go hard or perish and drop link joints can freeze up over time. Obviously a brake disc and pad check is on the list and some fresh brake fluid.
Look forward to photos once those Fuch's and ducktail are fitted. Get the ride height sorted before the Geo. Deans boys know how to lower the shocks. Currently it rides like SUV. Its going to be a totally different car once you get to finally drive it. After that the gains will come with ripping out 100kg which given the stock chairs and carpet should be a fairly low cost and rewarding improvement.
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I asked Dean about the shock removal etc. His preference is to get the car rolling then sort things like that out. I think this is because it is taking so long to get this all done and he would have a storage problem with a car with no suspension i.e. it's easier to get it rolling then send it to Peter for the shocks.
Right now I just want the car home to play with. There's plenty of time later to do all of the finer points.
Right now I just want the car home to play with. There's plenty of time later to do all of the finer points.
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I can see his point. Peter doesn't have the space or directive to remove the shocks. Hes working out of a Mitsubishi dealership and I think they barely tolerate noisy 911s rolling up for Geos whilst they are busy fitting tyres to mummy's wagon. Its the hoist time hes concerned about. I guess if you were there you could have them pulled out in a few hours and whip them over to Penrose to be set up on their testing rig and return them later that day. Its one of the hassles of being offshore I must admit....
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Looks like a tidy C4 manual for anyone looking...
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used...-593590170.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used...-593590170.htm