Macca

Looks like we cross posted. Good point re Jon Warring. Hes expensive though as you say. I think hes based in Kapiiti Coast now. Im no expert on the pre 90s 911 engines, but I think you are right, the older the engine the more talent there is in NZ to build such engines. Theres a guy in teh south island specialised in 356 re builds and Im sure Glynn in CHCH does some early MFI stuff too...

kiwi 911

You seem to have the itch for 280hp outlaw. This is a $100K exercise any way you look at it................

Err $150K on a pre 73 RHD platform...............

kiwi 911

Bob,

Just buy this one............

73 E chassis

Genuine RS engine

$200K bare metal rebuild

For $circa $110K...........................

http://www.carpoint.com.au/all-cars/...3491045&Cr=259

kiwi 911

Bob - how are you going with the w*nkers and wannabe's with selling the 993?

Penguinracer

That incredible value on those seats! Do they have a brand name?
I'm awaiting the final parts for my build & then I'll have to think about booking a slot at Gantspeed for later in the summer for them to start the rebuild.

I saw on the RL 964 board there's a sticky for prepping a no-expense spared 964 racer, which supposedly dyno'ed 412 rwhp - if that's accurate that's an incredible figure for a 3.8 air-cooled motor! For a 4-valve GT3 I can quite believe it, but for an aircooled motor that's amazing!

gt38088

I do have that itch as you say...most of the fun is the search/build etc

That viper car is no doubt spotless in the body trim etc but the engine is std 210hp (and not rebuilt) and so with the big $ talked about here re engines that car gets too expensive. NZD 150 landed so I think you would want to be happy to keep it as it is.

Macca

Tim. PM me and I can send you the suppliers details...

Macca

Tim. I think you will find that is Geoffrey Rings 964 race car. It has had over 250,000 USD of development (if you include his time and resources) and Geoff is one of the pre imminent 3.6l engine builders in the US and 9M motorsport (Colin Beltons) agent there. He has access to his own dynopak and machine shop. Hes also rebuilt the engine more than once if I recall and had plenty of shake down time. The other sticky there is Robeert Lintons carbon and titanium 964 America GS. Now thats a real eye opener. Thats a 600k usd + 964! He also had his engine rebuilt to around 430 bhp but I think its 4.0L and has some trick intake manifolds etc. Robert is world famous. He commissioned and entirely unique car with its own designation from the factory in the 90s and is the only one I know to have done so...

Penguinracer

Thanks for putting those numbers in perspective Macca. The financial costs of these developments often go unreported, especially if it's a specialist shop doing an in-house project or an experienced mechanic/race-car builder doing a personal project.

All of which makes secondhand GT3s look exceptional value and should perhaps help to manage expectations as to how far a 964/993 engine can be tuned without resort to bottomless pockets!

Macca

Tim you hit the nail on the head. To get the performance you would from a 996 GT3 engine and run the same 7600 rpm limiter you would need to spend 60k nzd+. Thats say a 380 bhp 3.8 conversion. Now add in a set of brakes from the GT3 and you have already exceed the value of a used 996.1 GT3 in NZ.

This is why it makes absolutely no sane sense for any of us mere mortals to try and get 6GT3 type performance from our 964/993s on any type of realistic budget below 150k nzd. Especially when the resale value on a modified car like that is only a fraction above a stock cars value. I guess we all aspire to it and we all love to fiddle with our cars which gives us lots of pleasure but it comes at a cost of course.

If you just want to have reliable and fast track day fun then a 10 year old used GT3 is definitely the ticket and you can even go to work in it. If you want an air cooled experience and build a unique vehicle thats quick on track but not fast then pockets of $$$ and alot of passion is required. ...
......I guess that's why none of us on here are rich then!

John McM

Car update. It is now seven weeks since I dropped my car off for a pre-track day check.

My oil adventure burned out two lobes on each camshaft and six rockers had excessive wear due to oil starvation. Goodbye $1,600 in parts, but that's the cheap part. It's also getting new rings, bearings etc and a reseal.

The clutch was good for maybe one track day so replacing that while it's accessible is some comfort.

Exhaust valve guides needed replacement as did valve stem seals. Overall engine state was good prior to this adventure so I don't think other 964 owners should be too nervous.

Planetary pins being welded as well. Also am replacing the front two oil lines as they are weeping at the rubber/metal joins.

I somehow doubt the car is going to make the gymkhana or track day. I'm booked in for the gymkhana and will choose which car to take on the day. I think I'll likely take the Turbo 3.6 as it's closer to 964 handling and this day is not going to be hard on the car.

Ducktail should arrive next week, as will the spoiler grille. Also getting Brian to quote on Hankook shoes for the Fuchs.

Macca

John. Look on the bright side. There should be 100k km of trouble free motoring ahead of you after this!

Good idea replacing those oil lines. They supply the lifeblood of the engine. A few Singapore 964/993 owners have recently had to replace the full circuit of lines. I think this is one area that suffers in humid climates. If you weren't already facing a large bill Id suggest an aux oil cooler for a car that will be tracked regularly. Im researching this currently for our cars and its not an expensive upgrade and good security.

I agree it wont likely be ready for the 9th but you may as well take your time and cover all bases while its apart. You have an alternative vehicle for the gymkhana and could probably get some more experience on HD using the turbo just to keep learning the lines.

While the car is in pieces why dont you have the shocks removed and sent to that Bilstein Penrose agent for testing. Its probably only 1-2 hrs labour and given you are likely doing a full geo may as well have those checked out in their downtime in case they need a rebuild. Given their age (I imagine fitted in Sing 10-15 years ago) it would be a good use of the downtime. Deans boys can check all sway bar bushes, tie rods and suspension arm joints while taking out the shocks to make sure everything is in good condition. No point finding out after a few track days that the top shock mount rubber mount is perished and have to remove the shocks again. Sway bar bushes can go hard or perish and drop link joints can freeze up over time. Obviously a brake disc and pad check is on the list and some fresh brake fluid.

Look forward to photos once those Fuch's and ducktail are fitted. Get the ride height sorted before the Geo. Deans boys know how to lower the shocks. Currently it rides like SUV. Its going to be a totally different car once you get to finally drive it. After that the gains will come with ripping out 100kg which given the stock chairs and carpet should be a fairly low cost and rewarding improvement.

John McM

I asked Dean about the shock removal etc. His preference is to get the car rolling then sort things like that out. I think this is because it is taking so long to get this all done and he would have a storage problem with a car with no suspension i.e. it's easier to get it rolling then send it to Peter for the shocks.
Right now I just want the car home to play with. There's plenty of time later to do all of the finer points.

Macca

I can see his point. Peter doesn't have the space or directive to remove the shocks. Hes working out of a Mitsubishi dealership and I think they barely tolerate noisy 911s rolling up for Geos whilst they are busy fitting tyres to mummy's wagon. Its the hoist time hes concerned about. I guess if you were there you could have them pulled out in a few hours and whip them over to Penrose to be set up on their testing rig and return them later that day. Its one of the hassles of being offshore I must admit....

KiwiSean

Looks like a tidy C4 manual for anyone looking...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used...-593590170.htm