View Poll Results: what do you think?
really clean, nice looking Vette....
174
31.46%
a very different Vette but we'll sure as hell take it.
165
29.84%
i'll be ordering one soon.......
98
17.72%
No thank you
116
20.98%
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Thoughts on the new corvette?
#1726
Race Director
#1727
Race Director
Sounds like would be a Porsche option
Must say, the idea never even crossed my mind!
https://www.motor1.com/news/361442/c...customization/
Must say, the idea never even crossed my mind!
https://www.motor1.com/news/361442/c...customization/
#1728
Instructor
The very idea that the poor little Chevy is not considered equal to more historical brands that don’t make minivans is outrageous.
How dare the new Corvette without anyone driving it yet not be taken as a serious supercar.
In my estimation, the Corvette has influenced the 911's development more than the 911 has influenced the Corvette's development. Which is kinda great but also kind of a shame, too, as the 911 used to be a reasonably lightweight sports car...
Anyway, here's hoping the C8 is a fantastic supercar, which will only lead to better (or maybe less expensive?) Porsche supercars as well.
Here's also hoping (perhaps in vain) for Porsche to ultimately offer up some legitimately small, lightweight, minimalist sports cars again...
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#1729
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In my estimation, the Corvette has influenced the 911's development more than the 911 has influenced the Corvette's development. Which is kinda great but also kind of a shame, too, as the 911 used to be a reasonably lightweight sports car...
Anyway, here's hoping the C8 is a fantastic supercar, which will only lead to better (or maybe less expensive?) Porsche supercars as well.
Here's also hoping (perhaps in vain) for Porsche to ultimately offer up some legitimately small, lightweight, minimalist sports cars again...
Here's also hoping (perhaps in vain) for Porsche to ultimately offer up some legitimately small, lightweight, minimalist sports cars again...
Ultimately the Corvette team is inspired by Porsche's example, but I don't think they're scared or intimidated. What terrifies them -- what they know they must avoid at all costs -- is Harley-Davidson's example. Hence the willingness to throw the baby boomers under the bus.
#1730
Anyway, here's hoping the C8 is a fantastic supercar, which will only lead to better (or maybe less expensive?) Porsche supercars as well.
Here's also hoping (perhaps in vain) for Porsche to ultimately offer up some legitimately small, lightweight, minimalist sports cars again...
Here's also hoping (perhaps in vain) for Porsche to ultimately offer up some legitimately small, lightweight, minimalist sports cars again...
For the folks who got upset that I said the GT4 sucks go drive a GT3 or RS. There is no comparison.
#1732
As someone who use to have a racing license and competed in many SCCA events, I always prefer racing a lighter car with less HP than a heavier one with more HP. Light weight cars are just easier to drive fast than heaver cars, especially when driven by amateurs who do occasional DEs. When driven by professional drivers, I wouldn't be surprised if a C8 turns in quicker lap times than a GT4, but that won't necessarily apply when the cars are driven by amateurs.
Almost everyone has been focused on the C8's sub 3 sec 0-60 time. Sub 3 sec means 2.9+. If it were 2.8 secs or lower, I guarantee you that the exact time would be listed. Just like a dealer who advertises a car for under $50K. We all know that means $4,995 or even $4,999. Moreover, how many C8 owners will be able to replicate the sub 3 sec time? My guess would be very few. My assumptions are that the sub 3 sec time was done by a professional driver who made many attempts before the sub 3 sec time was recorded. I can guarantee you that the sub 3 sec time wasn't done with a full tank of gas, in 90 degree temperatures and high humidity. So in the "real world ", I would expect most C8 owners will run a mid 3 sec 0-60. I'm not suggesting that's a slow time, but it certainly isn't as sexy a marketing gimmick as sub 3 secs.
So I look forward to seeing lap times. Even if the GT4 is a little faster, the C8 is still one hell of a car for the money. It's only drawback is the absence of a MT.
Almost everyone has been focused on the C8's sub 3 sec 0-60 time. Sub 3 sec means 2.9+. If it were 2.8 secs or lower, I guarantee you that the exact time would be listed. Just like a dealer who advertises a car for under $50K. We all know that means $4,995 or even $4,999. Moreover, how many C8 owners will be able to replicate the sub 3 sec time? My guess would be very few. My assumptions are that the sub 3 sec time was done by a professional driver who made many attempts before the sub 3 sec time was recorded. I can guarantee you that the sub 3 sec time wasn't done with a full tank of gas, in 90 degree temperatures and high humidity. So in the "real world ", I would expect most C8 owners will run a mid 3 sec 0-60. I'm not suggesting that's a slow time, but it certainly isn't as sexy a marketing gimmick as sub 3 secs.
So I look forward to seeing lap times. Even if the GT4 is a little faster, the C8 is still one hell of a car for the money. It's only drawback is the absence of a MT.
I’m also curious as to whether GM has listed torsional rigidity futures for the car? Curious what it’ll be with the heavy bolt construction.
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#1733
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Yeah, my prediction is that the C8 Z51 will put up very moderately (barely) better times on higher speed tracks, but in the hands of most normal drivers, the GT4 would be faster than it every time. The C8 is still a torquey car with the length of a 3 series, the width of a Macan and the weight of a luxury sedan. Not to mention, nothing touches the ease of driving balance a Cayman delivers.
Looks great. I just don’t know what they were thinking with the corporate rental fleet GM rear. The Vette has previously NEVER followed corporate design language of other cars out back. It started the GM design language. That rear really kills the vibe with such a cheap and non-serious look (while the rest of the car screams seriousness).
Theres is zero doubt that in 5 years, when out of warranty; nobody will want to have the first year/s of the all new DCT.
I’m also curious as to whether GM has listed torsional rigidity futures for the car? Curious what it’ll be with the heavy bolt construction.
Looks great. I just don’t know what they were thinking with the corporate rental fleet GM rear. The Vette has previously NEVER followed corporate design language of other cars out back. It started the GM design language. That rear really kills the vibe with such a cheap and non-serious look (while the rest of the car screams seriousness).
Theres is zero doubt that in 5 years, when out of warranty; nobody will want to have the first year/s of the all new DCT.
I’m also curious as to whether GM has listed torsional rigidity futures for the car? Curious what it’ll be with the heavy bolt construction.
I am really ok with the rear. I think it looks great, but thats subjective. The knock for me is that it looks similar to a Camaro. I think that was a serious mistake, they didn't differentiate it enough. Shame.
GM says it is 10% more rigid than the C7 because of the center tunnel design.
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#1735
For the folks who got upset that I said the GT4 sucks go drive a GT3 or RS. There is no comparison.
It's because of this BS that I'll be taking a long, hard look at the C8 Z06.
#1736
Pro
Yeah, my prediction is that the C8 Z51 will put up very moderately (barely) better times on higher speed tracks, but in the hands of most normal drivers, the GT4 would be faster than it every time. The C8 is still a torquey car with the length of a 3 series, the width of a Macan and the weight of a luxury sedan. Not to mention, nothing touches the ease of driving balance a Cayman delivers.
Guess you haven't driven a F458 at the track, 3500lbs, (about 100lbs-150lbs) less than the projected weight of the C8, trick e-diff, MR shocks double wishbone up front multi-link suspension in the rear, very easy to drive fast, much more accessible performance and balanced than a Cayman. The e-diff makes a very big difference on how the car put the power down.
I was extremely surprised and blown away by the handling, since I drove it on the same exact track after driving a PDK Cayman R. Both cars were on the same brand tires just different sizes, 235/265 for the Cayman R, 235/295 for the F458.
And the F458 also happens to be one of t the benchmarks used for the C8.
Chevy is doing what Ferrari did 9 years ago with the F458, using similar technological foundations but doing so with a mass produced engine and chassis manufacturing techniques. Time will tell if the car is more kit car than a production car, but if they got their formula right it might be surprising a lot of people.
#1737
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Chevy was making the Corvette in what 1953. A good 10 years before any 911. Corvette is what 67 Years on now. Im pretty sure that's historical by any account.
Chevy and GM were working in their own right from what about 1910. The original Chevrolet partners split because of this same idea - one wanted cars for the average guy and one wanted more upscale luxury models. Hmmmm . . a conversation still going on what 110 years later.
I'm sure Chevy wants to add a few 911 drivers . . and I'm sure Porsche wants to add a few Corvette owners too. And why not?
Ferrari huh? Yeah I had one for a little while and I agreed with Niki Lauda - they were junk. On the other hand , Mr Enzo had zero interest in building any production cars - only in building racing cars. They ultimately built cars to sell so they could race. It's an idea I'm personally fond of BTW.
Another little thing . . the twist is somehow pretty bent that only Corvette has older owners. Porsche gets its new owners from the front engine crew - you know the Macan, the Cayenne, and Panamera. About 20 years ago this was equal to The Devil Himself in Porsche circles. I heard it all back then and even earlier when I bought my first 951 - I wasn't a Real Porsche Guy. There are owners of both cars 911 and Corvette in their 30s, 50, and 60s . . . go to a PCA event and tell me if you see any grey hair guys with 911s. You will. Yak it up Perception ain't reality - and in this case perception is skewed BS.
I'm a long time Porsche guy. It's no telling how much Porsche stuff I have in this house and garage and shop so I enjoy their heritage too. But I don't want to reach a point where I cant see other cars and efforts and acknowledge those as being darn good. That means ones with ICE engines in them - not electric carp. Other guys can have my share of that - My grey hair is showing.
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Here, here! Just like motorcycles - those who ride Harleys and those that don't...I have ridden them all and same goes for 4-wheeled rides.
#1740
Did your time at GM cloud your perspective some?
Chevy was making the Corvette in what 1953. A good 10 years before any 911. Corvette is what 67 Years on now. Im pretty sure that's historical by any account.
Chevy and GM were working in their own right from what about 1910. The original Chevrolet partners split because of this same idea - one wanted cars for the average guy and one wanted more upscale luxury models. Hmmmm . . a conversation still going on what 110 years later.
I'm sure Chevy wants to add a few 911 drivers . . and I'm sure Porsche wants to add a few Corvette owners too. And why not?
Ferrari huh? Yeah I had one for a little while and I agreed with Niki Lauda - they were junk. On the other hand , Mr Enzo had zero interest in building any production cars - only in building racing cars.
Another little thing . . the twist is somehow bent that only Corvette has older owners. Porsche gets its new owners from the front engine crew - you know the Macan, the Cayenne, and Panamera. About 20 years ago this was equal to The Devil Himself in Porsche circles. I heard it all back then and even earlier when I bought my first 951 - I wasn't a Real Porsche Guy. There are owners of both cars 911 and Corvette in their 30s, 50, and 60s . . . go to a PCA event and tell me if you see any grey hair guys with 911s. You will. Perception ain't reality - and in this case perception is skewed BS.
I'm a long time Porsche guy. It's no telling how much Porsche stuff I have in this house and garage and shop so I enjoy their heritage too. But I don't want to reach a point where I cant see other cars and efforts and acknowledge those as being darn good.
Chevy was making the Corvette in what 1953. A good 10 years before any 911. Corvette is what 67 Years on now. Im pretty sure that's historical by any account.
Chevy and GM were working in their own right from what about 1910. The original Chevrolet partners split because of this same idea - one wanted cars for the average guy and one wanted more upscale luxury models. Hmmmm . . a conversation still going on what 110 years later.
I'm sure Chevy wants to add a few 911 drivers . . and I'm sure Porsche wants to add a few Corvette owners too. And why not?
Ferrari huh? Yeah I had one for a little while and I agreed with Niki Lauda - they were junk. On the other hand , Mr Enzo had zero interest in building any production cars - only in building racing cars.
Another little thing . . the twist is somehow bent that only Corvette has older owners. Porsche gets its new owners from the front engine crew - you know the Macan, the Cayenne, and Panamera. About 20 years ago this was equal to The Devil Himself in Porsche circles. I heard it all back then and even earlier when I bought my first 951 - I wasn't a Real Porsche Guy. There are owners of both cars 911 and Corvette in their 30s, 50, and 60s . . . go to a PCA event and tell me if you see any grey hair guys with 911s. You will. Perception ain't reality - and in this case perception is skewed BS.
I'm a long time Porsche guy. It's no telling how much Porsche stuff I have in this house and garage and shop so I enjoy their heritage too. But I don't want to reach a point where I cant see other cars and efforts and acknowledge those as being darn good.
The elitism and pretentious cr@p around Porsche circles nauseates me. I love Corvette Racing and have pulled for those guys for years.
Watching Porsche guys mash their teeth over the new Corvette for 116 pages is fantastic
And yes, go look up Porsche Club photos, tell me what the age looks like ? All nothing but BS attacks on vette by the "other side"
Keep preachin the word my man. Btw, I had a 1989 951 turbo s and still got the elitist BS from the 911 crowd, back in the day, pathetic.
Drive a C7 Z07 if you can, in a manual, raw usable ballsy animal of a car
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