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really clean, nice looking Vette....
174
31.46%
a very different Vette but we'll sure as hell take it.
165
29.84%
i'll be ordering one soon.......
98
17.72%
No thank you
116
20.98%
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Thoughts on the new corvette?
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bertram928 (07-26-2019)
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The only thing I am concerned about is the overheating stuff. I want to get a report back about how the Vette does after hard track sessions. Furthermore, the sweet spot of the Corvette range (for me) has always been the Grand Sport; as a result, if I decide to get the Vette as a second car, it would be that one. If I'm being honest; however, I'm actually more inclined to get a Mustang GT350R. To me, the GT350R is just more of a special car: unique engine, manual transmission, limited production, and great handling.
On another note I think it's funny that people are comparing a base model vette, matter how new and different it is, to $300,000 super cars. Either those people are shook because of what the new vette represents, or maybe its a demonstration on just how far the vette has come.
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The comparison is between a 718 GT4 with PDK for reference, not the 981 GT4. 8spd DCT vs the 7spd PDK, the gearing on the DCT will be better relative to the PDK. I have read that the curb weight for the 718 GT4 with the 6 speed manual is about 3200lbs, expecting the PDK to add about 40-50 lbs if not more due to the extra cooling necessary for the PDK for real track duty.
I guess we will have to wait for trap speeds in the 1/4 mile as well as ET's. If you want to do apples to apples comparison it might require a yet to be announced Z07 package with CCB's and other goodies as well as seats that will be comparable to the CF bucket seats on the GT4.
In regards to torque, depending on the track layout, having more available torque down low that the car can put down helps a lot when coming out of the slow corners, tire sizes 285 vs 305. The e-diff vs the traditional diff on the PDK that has been offered on the 718 cars will also make a difference in available traction.
Besides the engine been a not so stellar achievement on the C8, the C8 has a better suspension than the GT4, double wishbones vs struts. MRC vs PASM.
Some folks are caught up only about a single parameter instead of looking at the overall package.
I guess we will have to wait for trap speeds in the 1/4 mile as well as ET's. If you want to do apples to apples comparison it might require a yet to be announced Z07 package with CCB's and other goodies as well as seats that will be comparable to the CF bucket seats on the GT4.
In regards to torque, depending on the track layout, having more available torque down low that the car can put down helps a lot when coming out of the slow corners, tire sizes 285 vs 305. The e-diff vs the traditional diff on the PDK that has been offered on the 718 cars will also make a difference in available traction.
Besides the engine been a not so stellar achievement on the C8, the C8 has a better suspension than the GT4, double wishbones vs struts. MRC vs PASM.
Some folks are caught up only about a single parameter instead of looking at the overall package.
I expect GT4 PDK vs Chevy Z51 DCT, quarter mile timed and trap speeds will be near identical, but we’ll see when the tests come out.
On paper, the Chevy suspension is more advanced, but in general Porsche has a history of making “inferior” layouts and designs outperform their “superior” competitors. The significantly lower weight would also be beneficial to the GT4.
While the tall second gear of the manual GT4 would hurt slow corners, I expect the PDK version with better gear ratio spacing to not be hurt by the torque deficit - the Chevy may pull like a school bus at 4500 RPM, while a PDK GT4 might do the same corner with less torque but at 5500 RPM, and with less mass to lug.
My guess would be roughly identical track performance between the PDK GT4 and DCT C8 Z51 Vette.
I fully respect the C8 Vette - it looks like a solid performer again at a substantially lower cost than a Porsche. Building a car that can match the GT4 is no small feat, and of course future Z06 and ZR1 variants should comfortably beat it.
In Canada, I’d expect a Z51 LT3 C8 Vette with FE4 suspension (guess based on C7 Canadian pricing and C8 price bump: $94k CAD) to be around 3/4 the price of a new GT4 with leather interior ($125k CAD reasonably optioned). For a 3 year period of ownership, the GT4 would probably still depreciate less (dollars) than the equivalent Vette.
A future C8 Z06 should beat the 718 GT4 for less money, but that has always been the case for Chevy vs Porsche at equal prices.
The rear mid engine design should help the new Corvette better put down its power at low speeds, the interior is a step forward in quality, and it continues the excellent price per dollar Corvettes have always had. However, at least in Canada, when considering equivalent specs (not the $60k USD base car that’s probably $70k CAD), and historical depreciation rates, Porsche is probably cheaper to own, even after considering investing the price difference in a mutual fund. In the US, Corvette might be slightly cheaper after considering investing the price difference.
For the same cost of ownership, and comparable straight line performance, would you rather have a lightweight and semi-rare Porsche, or a large, heavy, and rather common Corvette? I’d take the Porsche, and that’s why I’m buying a 718 Spyder.
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GT3FZS (08-07-2019)
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The previous GT4 was saddled up with the Limited Edition - now that all that malarkey is blown out and Porsche wants to sell the cars, maybe the value to value proposition presented above will hold up. The used market anyway is littered with GT4s for sale as the owners try to jingle some nickels out them. It won't be coming from me for sure. I won't pay ADM and never have yet. I also don't pay ADM back door either. Just my way.
Price on price the Corvette on track would blow away a 718 anything. I don't remember the exact numbers but give a GT4 they wanted 120 for vs the ZR1 at about the same costs, and Im pretty sure it wasn't close on track. The Corvette would be 5 or 10 seconds ahead unless the track is very tight.
Then it comes down to the subjective. Which do you want? What look do you want? Which is the better road car? Do you like P or C ? All of that.
Price on price the Corvette on track would blow away a 718 anything. I don't remember the exact numbers but give a GT4 they wanted 120 for vs the ZR1 at about the same costs, and Im pretty sure it wasn't close on track. The Corvette would be 5 or 10 seconds ahead unless the track is very tight.
Then it comes down to the subjective. Which do you want? What look do you want? Which is the better road car? Do you like P or C ? All of that.
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C8.
Never liked Vettes but the C7 was acceptable. The C8 (assuming they can execute with quality and reliability) is just too good of a car for the money and really no compromise anymore.
For the hyper car buyers, Z06 May cross that line and the Zora will probably smash right through it 918 style for a small fraction of
the price.
Well done Chevy. Credit where it's due.
Never liked Vettes but the C7 was acceptable. The C8 (assuming they can execute with quality and reliability) is just too good of a car for the money and really no compromise anymore.
For the hyper car buyers, Z06 May cross that line and the Zora will probably smash right through it 918 style for a small fraction of
the price.
Well done Chevy. Credit where it's due.
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There are two themes that are repeated ad nauseam in this thread. Corvette interiors are inferior and they depreciate at an alarming rate, especially compared to 911s. So I did a quick google search regarding depreciation rates, and came up with the following links, which may surprise some.
https://www.motorbiscuit.com/autos/t...he-u-s-market/
https://www.thedrive.com/news/24255/...ng-sports-cars
https://www.autobytel.com/sports-car...-value-131591/
https://www.motorbiscuit.com/autos/t...he-u-s-market/
https://www.thedrive.com/news/24255/...ng-sports-cars
https://www.autobytel.com/sports-car...-value-131591/
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The only vette that overheated was the C7 Z06.
On another note I think it's funny that people are comparing a base model vette, matter how new and different it is, to $300,000 super cars. Either those people are shook because of what the new vette represents, or maybe its a demonstration on just how far the vette has come.
On another note I think it's funny that people are comparing a base model vette, matter how new and different it is, to $300,000 super cars. Either those people are shook because of what the new vette represents, or maybe its a demonstration on just how far the vette has come.
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CaymanCarver (07-27-2019)
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I think its the STARTING price that has people excited. The idea that you can slap $20k in options on this thing and still be well within BMW M4 or Porsche 718 territory is what is interesting.
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GT3FZS (08-07-2019)
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At $80K there’s no way the C8 will out handle a Porsche 718. I used to be an automotive engineer at GM. The problem is the bean counters and decision by committee that kills any world class attributes.
My bet bet is the C8 will receive similar reviews to the C7: great value for the money but it’s not going to do much wrt the competition.
My bet bet is the C8 will receive similar reviews to the C7: great value for the money but it’s not going to do much wrt the competition.
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^^^^ Exactly.
And you are getting a heck of a lot of base, like 500 Hp to start , at the 60K beginning price point.
And GM may not be the old GM for the moment. There is always a time to showcase what you can do. Not like Toyota just did on the Supra.
I think it depends what "out handle" means to you. It is too early to tell - but I have an idea it is going to smoosh a 718. If their respective corner times are say the same, but it blasts by down the following straight, which one out handled which? Is 0.05 g significant ? What has what rubber on it? Which is tuned and set up best for the test? All of that. The 718 or the 911 T may indeed be easier to drive - but it depends on how hard you have to push it to keep those squinty tail lights in sight. I think at the new GT4 will give a good account of itself. But now bring the Vette up to the same price and go at it.
And you are getting a heck of a lot of base, like 500 Hp to start , at the 60K beginning price point.
And GM may not be the old GM for the moment. There is always a time to showcase what you can do. Not like Toyota just did on the Supra.
I think it depends what "out handle" means to you. It is too early to tell - but I have an idea it is going to smoosh a 718. If their respective corner times are say the same, but it blasts by down the following straight, which one out handled which? Is 0.05 g significant ? What has what rubber on it? Which is tuned and set up best for the test? All of that. The 718 or the 911 T may indeed be easier to drive - but it depends on how hard you have to push it to keep those squinty tail lights in sight. I think at the new GT4 will give a good account of itself. But now bring the Vette up to the same price and go at it.
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Yes, if true. Until we see option prices, I wouldn’t hold my breath. Watch them hold out an LSD or other must have options and bundle them in an expensive option package.
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There are two themes that are repeated ad nauseam in this thread. Corvette interiors are inferior and they depreciate at an alarming rate, especially compared to 911s. So I did a quick google search regarding depreciation rates, and came up with the following links, which may surprise some.
https://www.motorbiscuit.com/autos/t...he-u-s-market/
https://www.thedrive.com/news/24255/...ng-sports-cars
https://www.autobytel.com/sports-car...-value-131591/
https://www.motorbiscuit.com/autos/t...he-u-s-market/
https://www.thedrive.com/news/24255/...ng-sports-cars
https://www.autobytel.com/sports-car...-value-131591/
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- Michelin® PS4 Performance 3 Season tires†
- Standard FE3 Performance Suspension
- Larger 345 mm front and 350 mm rear brake rotors
- Extra cooling with additional rear-mounted third radiator
- Electronic Limited-Slip Differential
- Larger rear spoiler provides up to 400 lbs. of downforce
- Performance exhaust results in 495 HP
Now there may not be many base C8s around when its released, but you can order one direct from factory for the $60k price. So yes, it is funny people are comparing base C8 vettes to $300k super cars.
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GT3FZS (08-07-2019)
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We ALL know who invented that and is the leader in that . . and we love them. And we buy it too.
I'm not saying this Corvette is perfect. Or even that I absolutely will buy one. I like what I see though and I would like to see and drive one.
I do think Chevy wants to sell these cars and yes with as little of discount as possible as they see it done across the road. Maybe 5% maybe 10%. But overall I think the prevailing idea is to sell them don't you? Only a few weeks ago the buzz was they were going to be 90-100 and up. Chevy and GM knew better than to try that and here we are.
Individual dealers may try the ADM gig for the first cars. I already know my position on that , and the big dealers will rake up the Corvette business. So that will sort itself out pretty quickly.
I think I saw the Corvette factory manager saying they will be going to 2 full shifts on the assembly line and production of this new C8. To me that means they are planning on putting some out the door. GM bosses had to sign off on that - so . . . I think it says they mean business.
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