We have deviated far down the RWD vs AWD rabbit hole and should return to the topic of upward trending prices. Clearly this topic touches nerves in 911 owners and provokes strong opinions. I personally own a 4s for two reasons, (1) I drive it year round in all conditions and (2) I attack curves/off ramps/etc at speeds I would never think of if I had to worry about my rear end getting away from me. It never crosses my mind and that's the driving experience/feel I'm happy with.

 

In fighting is a shame. I don’t understand how everyone can’t like the underdog 996 no matter what badge on the back says.

We must stick together because everyone else thinks ALL 996 is the worst 911 of all time! Facts!

Im here to show them differently. The fact is, like many here. Fortunately I can afford any 911 I want but I choose the 996. The history, the link, and to some extent because it’s the underdog.

What the 996 offers that no other 911 in existence can, Its got the feels of air cooled and the power of water cooled. And most importantly if does it in a humble way.

The link between the 993 and 997 will go down in history as one of the most important generations in Porsche History.

 

The difference is, who really gives a **** what another persons opinion is on...., well anything? The people who spout their opinion as facts need some self reflection. Enjoy what you enjoy, not everyone will have similar tastes or views.

All I know is, prices have drifted up during my ownership, and it's been an awesome car. What's not to love?

 

Lol, cmon man that’s a stretch, numb? My 2020 X5 on sports plus feels fake and numb compared to the rawness of this car. I prefer awd for the peace of mind it gives me in every situation, not to mention the grip compared to a rwd on the twistes. Say what you will, but awd is superior in most situations that’s a fact. In regards to looks. You’re absolutely right looks mean quite a lot. It’s ALMOST as important as the way the car drives. For me, it’s the entire package. The C4S crosses the threshold the regular carrera does not.

 

i just think we have some young people here who have stretched for their dream car and now feel superior because of it.

Fairly obvious to me anyway

love the car you drive is the common denominator here. Don’t diss the car you don’t drive

 

How to say you've never actually driven your car without saying you've never driven your car.

 

Took the words right out of my mouth. Slip Angle much?

 

As someone who has owned a 997.2 C4S in the past, I can share some thoughts with you. I bought my 996.1 C2 as a sort of experiment to see if a base model C2 was a more pure experience that would blow me away compared to AWD. That is the normal line of purist thinking, at least. What I found was that whether RWD or AWD, the cars feel very similar. The real difference I could tell on the street is the weight of the steering is slightly heavier on AWD. It’s not a night and day difference.

I even swapped cars with my buddy who has a 996 C4 for a quick ride so we could compare. Now, my car has all brand new suspension arms and is lowered on coilovers and some other upgrades like sway bars and such so it’s not a fair comparison, but he loved how my car handled. I thought his car felt very planted as well.

Regardless, we should all respect each other’s cars and it’s in poor taste to disrespect other model variants. Just appreciate the one you have.

 

The way a 996 drives varies radically on options more than any car I can think of, by a humongous margin, and that's why I feel it's critically important for owners to share their experiences. If they sharing them as "facts" rather than opinions, or just blindly promoting what they own, or blindly criticizing what they don't own, then that's a major disservice -- but if they are sharing their own impressions, that is a benefit and is uniquely important for the 996.

For 996 buyers, whether first-time or repeat buyers, it is important to drive as many variations of the cars as possible to understand the differences in driving feel because they are pretty massive depending on the options. The feedback of impressions from other owners will help them know which variations to evaluate. AWD, for example, could be better or it could be worse depending on how you plan to use your car -- it's important to have feedback on both sides (favoring and disfavoring) with the proper context for those impressions so that buyers can know which impressions are most likely to align with their intended use of the car.

 

"We ..... should return to the topic of upward trending prices."

Ok, so I think a case had been made that the GT-1 is really a 996. Here's one for sale at $12.3 million. Perhaps this variant is now the 996 where the price has drifted up the most?

https://rennlist.com/articles/porsch...mpaign=content

 

In my experience with the Rennlist forums, this infighting is unique to the 996 subforum. Between the vendors, their shills and stans, and the sh*posters, this subforum has some embarrassing posters and terrible moderation.

 

It's not infighting. Are we supposed to say everything is great? No, we should share our opinions and experiences so that we all learn more. The real-world differences among different options are directly related to market value, so it is on topic as well. The good news is that what I (or anyone else) may or may not like about awd, or Tip, or cab, someone else loves, but it's good to be informed about what's what from differing perspectives. The ideal thing is for everybody to drive every variation, but that's not practical for most people, so discussing it is valuable. Having differing opinions is not infighting.

 

Gonna be watching this one https://carsandbids.com/auctions/rj7...rera-cabriolet

Similar to my spec except I have a 6 speed and 40k fewer miles. This one is already at about 20k with two days left, for reference I bought mine 3 years ago for $18.5k.

 

In my interactions I see people who waited too long to buy a 996, and they are not happy because prices are up. The only Porsche that was affordable for them has now escalated in price and it also is now out of reach.

I also see people who have owned a car for 6-8 years and are doubling their money on it after logging tens of thousands of miles. I see engine purchasers who are selling their car with my engine and making 10K even after they factored in the purchase price of the engine. What those people have learned is they can't replace the car with anything as good, and even if they could they can't do it for any sane price. I see people selling their houses that are experiencing the same thing, if they can even find a home to buy.

A couple of weeks ago a fellow that bought an engine for his Cayman in 2013 called up to get in line for an engine for the broken 997 he had bought. He sold the Cayman for a premium, and tripled his money because of what the car was (Cayman R). When I told him the next available completion date would be April 2023 (when I open the program up again) he was blown away. People tend to only think the tide has risen for what they are selling, they don't realize that it has elevated everything else that is floating around them in the same way.

 

Yes a rising tide lifts all boats, but 996 is also on fire emerging from decades of artificially depressed pricing. That historically unique overlay doesn’t apply to the markets in general at all