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Oileater

maybe I am ignorant, but the C2S, caught off boost, can feel pretty laggy to me. And this is sitting in 6th gear at 3000rpms — car doesn’t jump forward like I expect it to.

*obviously I need to downshift

slc4s

yes plenty of scenarios where there is still lag on these motors.... drives me nuts when people act like there is no lag. Yes you can drive in a way where you mostly avoid it but with regular use you will in fact encounter some lag.

22992

But isn’t “lag” present on every car when the conditions are right? What happens to a GT3 going 35 in 6th gear when you punch it? All cars n/a or otherwise have their sweet spot

Tobeit

Single gear EV?

22992

Theres a reason I said car and not oversized golf cart 😃

Oileater

just to clarify —6th gear in a GT3 at 3000rpms is not 35mph

slc4s

I mean... there's lag and then there's being outside the power/torque band. You can be in the wrong spot in the power band of any car and experience lack of power. Lag is different and while its gotten better and better (to the point where i'd argue its almost a non-issue) its still there and with turbocharged motors I think the only way you'll ever kill it completely is with hybridization.

To be clear: I'm not saying that i have a problem with the lag in my 992. Far from.

ipse dixit

That's not lag.

And as you noted, it's being in the wrong gear.

The same effect would be extant on an NA 911 (say, a 991.1 911).

Hit the throttle while you're lugging the engine in 7th gear at 3000 rpm, and you'll experience what you incorrectly describe as "lag" but would be better described as "not driving properly"

ipse dixit

Thank you sir.

Finally some sense in this "lag" discussion.

People who complain about lag in modern FI cars, like the 992 911, are simply saying it because the rest of the internet is saying it. Lemmings, they are.

You want true turbo lag? Try driving a 1988 Toyota Supra. That thing had true lag, a real kick in the **** when the turbo spooled up like you wouldn't believe. Like NOS in those Fast Furious movies.

Modern turbo engines, like the 911, have so little lag that in a double blind test (between a 991 911 and a 992 911) I would venture 99% of the people couldn't discern the difference.

I will say, though, that some older Mclarens (like the 570S or 650, and even the 720) do have some of that old school turbo lag in them, but its still a far cry from the days of the 1988 Supras.

Ikone

Thank you. Like I had stated before in this thread. I drove a WRX before as a daily. Talk about lag. But...I didn't really mind it much. I think you learn to understand and anticipate it. If you want zero lag, get an EV.

malba2366

The automakers have to install hybrid systems to meet emissions regs in higher performance vehicles, and this is how they are marketing it. Turbo lag is almost imperceptible in modern turbocharged engines.

911dude41

Not in the lag discussion but now I am. I get what you are saying in this post, BUT... The 3.0 definitely has lag, even at low speeds in proper gear. Especially the higher up you go in trims which have "larger" turbochargers (S, GTS etc). I've been in several situations where in traffic I needed a quick jolt of power only to push the throttle down and nothing happens. Especially in 100+ degree weather, high density altitude, high elevation. Think trying to pull in or out of traffic with lots of congestion or some Dbag trying to cheat a zipper merge and edge you out just because they can probably squeeze in since you left an extra foot of space between yourself and the next car even though you're moving at a crawls pace and traffic will be stopped. Ive been in instances like those in 1st or second gear moving slowly and someone in an NA Cadillac edges me out because their motor was snappier than mine in that case. Even though I reacted first.



Oh and May 28th can't come soon enough.

shrimp money

First y’all said the GTS has too much power, and was already too much for city streets as you couldn’t rev it out without breaking the speed limit.

Now y’all say the hybrid GTS is needed because there’s too much lag.

M3Inline6

Yeah it’s pretty ridiculous. I’ve never been in the 911 in a lower gear, pressed the gas and didn’t get a response due to lag.