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To be clear: I'm not saying that i have a problem with the lag in my 992. Far from.
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And as you noted, it's being in the wrong gear.
The same effect would be extant on an NA 911 (say, a 991.1 911).
Hit the throttle while you're lugging the engine in 7th gear at 3000 rpm, and you'll experience what you incorrectly describe as "lag" but would be better described as "not driving properly"
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I mean... there's lag and then there's being outside the power/torque band. You can be in the wrong spot in the power band of any car and experience lack of power. Lag is different and while its gotten better and better (to the point where i'd argue its almost a non-issue) its still there and with turbocharged motors I think the only way you'll ever kill it completely is with hybridization.
To be clear: I'm not saying that i have a problem with the lag in my 992. Far from.
To be clear: I'm not saying that i have a problem with the lag in my 992. Far from.
Finally some sense in this "lag" discussion.
People who complain about lag in modern FI cars, like the 992 911, are simply saying it because the rest of the internet is saying it. Lemmings, they are.
You want true turbo lag? Try driving a 1988 Toyota Supra. That thing had true lag, a real kick in the **** when the turbo spooled up like you wouldn't believe. Like NOS in those Fast Furious movies.
Modern turbo engines, like the 911, have so little lag that in a double blind test (between a 991 911 and a 992 911) I would venture 99% of the people couldn't discern the difference.
I will say, though, that some older Mclarens (like the 570S or 650, and even the 720) do have some of that old school turbo lag in them, but its still a far cry from the days of the 1988 Supras.
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Thank you sir.
Finally some sense in this "lag" discussion.
People who complain about lag in modern FI cars, like the 992 911, are simply saying it because the rest of the internet is saying it. Lemmings, they are.
You want true turbo lag? Try driving a 1988 Toyota Supra. That thing had true lag, a real kick in the **** when the turbo spooled up like you wouldn't believe. Like NOS in those Fast Furious movies.
Modern turbo engines, like the 911, have so little lag that in a double blind test (between a 991 911 and a 992 911) I would venture 99% of the people couldn't discern the difference.
I will say, though, that some older Mclarens (like the 570S or 650, and even the 720) do have some of that old school turbo lag in them, but its still a far cry from the days of the 1988 Supras.
Finally some sense in this "lag" discussion.
People who complain about lag in modern FI cars, like the 992 911, are simply saying it because the rest of the internet is saying it. Lemmings, they are.
You want true turbo lag? Try driving a 1988 Toyota Supra. That thing had true lag, a real kick in the **** when the turbo spooled up like you wouldn't believe. Like NOS in those Fast Furious movies.
Modern turbo engines, like the 911, have so little lag that in a double blind test (between a 991 911 and a 992 911) I would venture 99% of the people couldn't discern the difference.
I will say, though, that some older Mclarens (like the 570S or 650, and even the 720) do have some of that old school turbo lag in them, but its still a far cry from the days of the 1988 Supras.
Thank you. Like I had stated before in this thread. I drove a WRX before as a daily. Talk about lag. But...I didn't really mind it much. I think you learn to understand and anticipate it. If you want zero lag, get an EV.
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I mean... there's lag and then there's being outside the power/torque band. You can be in the wrong spot in the power band of any car and experience lack of power. Lag is different and while its gotten better and better (to the point where i'd argue its almost a non-issue) its still there and with turbocharged motors I think the only way you'll ever kill it completely is with hybridization.
To be clear: I'm not saying that i have a problem with the lag in my 992. Far from.
To be clear: I'm not saying that i have a problem with the lag in my 992. Far from.
The automakers have to install hybrid systems to meet emissions regs in higher performance vehicles, and this is how they are marketing it. Turbo lag is almost imperceptible in modern turbocharged engines.
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Thank you sir.
Finally some sense in this "lag" discussion.
People who complain about lag in modern FI cars, like the 992 911, are simply saying it because the rest of the internet is saying it. Lemmings, they are.
You want true turbo lag? Try driving a 1988 Toyota Supra. That thing had true lag, a real kick in the **** when the turbo spooled up like you wouldn't believe. Like NOS in those Fast Furious movies.
Modern turbo engines, like the 911, have so little lag that in a double blind test (between a 991 911 and a 992 911) I would venture 99% of the people couldn't discern the difference.
I will say, though, that some older Mclarens (like the 570S or 650, and even the 720) do have some of that old school turbo lag in them, but its still a far cry from the days of the 1988 Supras.
Finally some sense in this "lag" discussion.
People who complain about lag in modern FI cars, like the 992 911, are simply saying it because the rest of the internet is saying it. Lemmings, they are.
You want true turbo lag? Try driving a 1988 Toyota Supra. That thing had true lag, a real kick in the **** when the turbo spooled up like you wouldn't believe. Like NOS in those Fast Furious movies.
Modern turbo engines, like the 911, have so little lag that in a double blind test (between a 991 911 and a 992 911) I would venture 99% of the people couldn't discern the difference.
I will say, though, that some older Mclarens (like the 570S or 650, and even the 720) do have some of that old school turbo lag in them, but its still a far cry from the days of the 1988 Supras.
Oh and May 28th can't come soon enough.
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First y’all said the GTS has too much power, and was already too much for city streets as you couldn’t rev it out without breaking the speed limit.
Now y’all say the hybrid GTS is needed because there’s too much lag.
Now y’all say the hybrid GTS is needed because there’s too much lag.
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Yeah it’s pretty ridiculous. I’ve never been in the 911 in a lower gear, pressed the gas and didn’t get a response due to lag.
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Bingo. 2023 GTS manual. Very instant response in lower gears. Slight lag in higher gears (normal) and low revs. Go drive any air cooled Turbo (yawn) if you want lag. Would I prefer the response of a strong NA engine? You bet. Do I lose sleep over my car’s setup. Not a bit. Do I wish I had a base or T model instead? Hell no.
Have the same model and feel exactly the same.
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Thank you sir.
Finally some sense in this "lag" discussion.
People who complain about lag in modern FI cars, like the 992 911, are simply saying it because the rest of the internet is saying it. Lemmings, they are.
You want true turbo lag? Try driving a 1988 Toyota Supra. That thing had true lag, a real kick in the **** when the turbo spooled up like you wouldn't believe. Like NOS in those Fast Furious movies.
Modern turbo engines, like the 911, have so little lag that in a double blind test (between a 991 911 and a 992 911) I would venture 99% of the people couldn't discern the difference.
I will say, though, that some older Mclarens (like the 570S or 650, and even the 720) do have some of that old school turbo lag in them, but its still a far cry from the days of the 1988 Supras.
Finally some sense in this "lag" discussion.
People who complain about lag in modern FI cars, like the 992 911, are simply saying it because the rest of the internet is saying it. Lemmings, they are.
You want true turbo lag? Try driving a 1988 Toyota Supra. That thing had true lag, a real kick in the **** when the turbo spooled up like you wouldn't believe. Like NOS in those Fast Furious movies.
Modern turbo engines, like the 911, have so little lag that in a double blind test (between a 991 911 and a 992 911) I would venture 99% of the people couldn't discern the difference.
I will say, though, that some older Mclarens (like the 570S or 650, and even the 720) do have some of that old school turbo lag in them, but its still a far cry from the days of the 1988 Supras.
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The two hypothetical guys saying the GTS has too much power blah blah blah is the guy who couldn't get or afford a Capital T Turbo and didn't want to dip down below into a previous gen Capital T Turbo. So they say the GTS is too strong anyway. The other guy saying the same thing could not get or afford a GTS and had to settle for a base so they say the GTS is too strong anyway.
Now I wait for the next person in their own head/feelings come out and explain why they bought a GTS and how much they love it. Reason having nothing to do with the above. Insert Targa owner.
