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*obviously I need to downshift
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yes plenty of scenarios where there is still lag on these motors.... drives me nuts when people act like there is no lag. Yes you can drive in a way where you mostly avoid it but with regular use you will in fact encounter some lag.
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But isn’t “lag” present on every car when the conditions are right? What happens to a GT3 going 35 in 6th gear when you punch it? All cars n/a or otherwise have their sweet spot
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To be clear: I'm not saying that i have a problem with the lag in my 992. Far from.
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And as you noted, it's being in the wrong gear.
The same effect would be extant on an NA 911 (say, a 991.1 911).
Hit the throttle while you're lugging the engine in 7th gear at 3000 rpm, and you'll experience what you incorrectly describe as "lag" but would be better described as "not driving properly"
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I mean... there's lag and then there's being outside the power/torque band. You can be in the wrong spot in the power band of any car and experience lack of power. Lag is different and while its gotten better and better (to the point where i'd argue its almost a non-issue) its still there and with turbocharged motors I think the only way you'll ever kill it completely is with hybridization.
To be clear: I'm not saying that i have a problem with the lag in my 992. Far from.
To be clear: I'm not saying that i have a problem with the lag in my 992. Far from.
Finally some sense in this "lag" discussion.
People who complain about lag in modern FI cars, like the 992 911, are simply saying it because the rest of the internet is saying it. Lemmings, they are.
You want true turbo lag? Try driving a 1988 Toyota Supra. That thing had true lag, a real kick in the **** when the turbo spooled up like you wouldn't believe. Like NOS in those Fast Furious movies.
Modern turbo engines, like the 911, have so little lag that in a double blind test (between a 991 911 and a 992 911) I would venture 99% of the people couldn't discern the difference.
I will say, though, that some older Mclarens (like the 570S or 650, and even the 720) do have some of that old school turbo lag in them, but its still a far cry from the days of the 1988 Supras.
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Thank you sir.
Finally some sense in this "lag" discussion.
People who complain about lag in modern FI cars, like the 992 911, are simply saying it because the rest of the internet is saying it. Lemmings, they are.
You want true turbo lag? Try driving a 1988 Toyota Supra. That thing had true lag, a real kick in the **** when the turbo spooled up like you wouldn't believe. Like NOS in those Fast Furious movies.
Modern turbo engines, like the 911, have so little lag that in a double blind test (between a 991 911 and a 992 911) I would venture 99% of the people couldn't discern the difference.
I will say, though, that some older Mclarens (like the 570S or 650, and even the 720) do have some of that old school turbo lag in them, but its still a far cry from the days of the 1988 Supras.
Finally some sense in this "lag" discussion.
People who complain about lag in modern FI cars, like the 992 911, are simply saying it because the rest of the internet is saying it. Lemmings, they are.
You want true turbo lag? Try driving a 1988 Toyota Supra. That thing had true lag, a real kick in the **** when the turbo spooled up like you wouldn't believe. Like NOS in those Fast Furious movies.
Modern turbo engines, like the 911, have so little lag that in a double blind test (between a 991 911 and a 992 911) I would venture 99% of the people couldn't discern the difference.
I will say, though, that some older Mclarens (like the 570S or 650, and even the 720) do have some of that old school turbo lag in them, but its still a far cry from the days of the 1988 Supras.
Thank you. Like I had stated before in this thread. I drove a WRX before as a daily. Talk about lag. But...I didn't really mind it much. I think you learn to understand and anticipate it. If you want zero lag, get an EV.
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I mean... there's lag and then there's being outside the power/torque band. You can be in the wrong spot in the power band of any car and experience lack of power. Lag is different and while its gotten better and better (to the point where i'd argue its almost a non-issue) its still there and with turbocharged motors I think the only way you'll ever kill it completely is with hybridization.
To be clear: I'm not saying that i have a problem with the lag in my 992. Far from.
To be clear: I'm not saying that i have a problem with the lag in my 992. Far from.
The automakers have to install hybrid systems to meet emissions regs in higher performance vehicles, and this is how they are marketing it. Turbo lag is almost imperceptible in modern turbocharged engines.
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Thank you sir.
Finally some sense in this "lag" discussion.
People who complain about lag in modern FI cars, like the 992 911, are simply saying it because the rest of the internet is saying it. Lemmings, they are.
You want true turbo lag? Try driving a 1988 Toyota Supra. That thing had true lag, a real kick in the **** when the turbo spooled up like you wouldn't believe. Like NOS in those Fast Furious movies.
Modern turbo engines, like the 911, have so little lag that in a double blind test (between a 991 911 and a 992 911) I would venture 99% of the people couldn't discern the difference.
I will say, though, that some older Mclarens (like the 570S or 650, and even the 720) do have some of that old school turbo lag in them, but its still a far cry from the days of the 1988 Supras.
Finally some sense in this "lag" discussion.
People who complain about lag in modern FI cars, like the 992 911, are simply saying it because the rest of the internet is saying it. Lemmings, they are.
You want true turbo lag? Try driving a 1988 Toyota Supra. That thing had true lag, a real kick in the **** when the turbo spooled up like you wouldn't believe. Like NOS in those Fast Furious movies.
Modern turbo engines, like the 911, have so little lag that in a double blind test (between a 991 911 and a 992 911) I would venture 99% of the people couldn't discern the difference.
I will say, though, that some older Mclarens (like the 570S or 650, and even the 720) do have some of that old school turbo lag in them, but its still a far cry from the days of the 1988 Supras.
Oh and May 28th can't come soon enough.
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First y’all said the GTS has too much power, and was already too much for city streets as you couldn’t rev it out without breaking the speed limit.
Now y’all say the hybrid GTS is needed because there’s too much lag.
Now y’all say the hybrid GTS is needed because there’s too much lag.