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Old 10-23-2022, 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Ascend
There are many 991.2 gt3 cars pretty close to msrp. Also com'on guys you guys make it sound like you all have some sort of terminal illnesses and have to pay stupid amount of adm to drive a car. Just wait 1 year. Trust me.
Impatient Americans who think these cars are investments, they don't have such problems with stupid ADMs in Europe.
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Old 10-23-2022, 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3
Impatient Americans who think these cars are investments, they don't have such problems with stupid ADMs in Europe.
but cgt is same price in europe as well 😞
Old 10-23-2022, 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Duct Tape
Well, it depends on point of view. In your case, with 8000+ posts and, I’m assuming current and probable previous Porsches, perhaps the sense of urgency and level of desire is different.

From my perspective, close to retirement and with a recent medical event which opened my eyes on the value of enjoying life, and finally looking to buy my first sports car after years of raising four kids with countless minivans (reluctantly admitted) and Suburbans, my wants are perhaps a little different.
Yes, I have multiple Porsches and some other cars, so I don't feel pressed to buy another one (and garage is full, so I need to sell or trade-in something to buy something). But a few things to consider:

- If you're in your sixties, even with a medical event, you probably have a lot of years left on your clock.

- Older nice Porsches can be as fun, or more fun, than the new ones, and you can buy one of those at less cost than a new one with an ADM.

- There are lots of other fun cars besides Porsches. Friend of mine recently bought a new Hyundai Elantra N for $40K, and it's a legit driver's car which I found to be more fun to drive on the road than our GT4.

- If you can wait 6-12 months to buy a new Porsche, I doubt you'll need to pay any ADM.
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Old 10-24-2022, 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Ascend
but cgt is same price in europe as well 😞
Well, the CGT is a different kettle of fish than a non-numbered GT car. I missed buying a CGT in Nov 2020 for $700k by 1 day....sigh.
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Old 10-24-2022, 08:44 PM
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https://www.autoblog.com/amp/2022/10...useum-germany/


You guys seen this? Lol
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Old 10-24-2022, 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Ascend
Good, I hope they froze their asses off and pissed & crapped themselves.
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Old 10-24-2022, 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3
Good, I hope they froze their asses off and pissed & crapped themselves.
They need to get laid more, and maybe get a hobby like tracking cars.
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Old 10-26-2022, 04:30 AM
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Many dealers will get stuck on over paying.


Old 10-26-2022, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Maverick787
Many dealers will get stuck on over paying.

there were 155 two weeks ago. Not sure if they were sold used cars or sold new (auto populate) from Porsche dealers. But regardless there is less.

curious to see where the number sit over the winter.
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Old 10-26-2022, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Jbravo23
there were 155 two weeks ago. Not sure if they were sold used cars or sold new (auto populate) from Porsche dealers. But regardless there is less.

curious to see where the number sit over the winter.
Needs to be filtered to used to avoid new cars at MSRP auto populating. The number has stayed between 120-130 on Autotrader for the last month or so. However, there are no 2023s yet (obviously) on the used market.
Old 10-26-2022, 10:28 AM
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Yes agree, this was filtered with 100% used cars. A beautiful PTS speedster didn’t hit reserve highest bid 365k, and PTS easily pulled 390k a few months back. Apparently there is a Benz dealer that bought a ton of AMG 63 G-wagons and got stuck with 4M in inventory. Once was 100k plus over now 20k to MSRP. Buckle up will be a buyers market.

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Old 10-26-2022, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Maverick787
Yes agree, this was filtered with 100% used cars. A beautiful PTS speedster didn’t hit reserve highest bid 265k, and PTS easily pulled 390k a few months back. Apparently there is a Benz dealer that bought a ton of AMG 63 G-wagons and got stuck with 4M in inventory. Once was 100k plus over now 20k to MSRP. Buckle up will be a buyers market.
G-wagon market is quite different to GT3 market though (G-wagon is much less of an enthusiast car so demand isn’t as sticky) but yes agree that prices will (and have) been coming down.
Old 10-26-2022, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by av12345
G-wagon market is quite different to GT3 market though (G-wagon is much less of an enthusiast car so demand isn’t as sticky) but yes agree that prices will (and have) been coming down.
Agree not comparing the two, but just an example of high dollar trends where a vehicle that was 100k over MSRP. GT market coming down, just not as swift ……..but 100 plus cars sitting not good for any brands. I know several dealers that are way upside down on GT cars, they can hold or take the risk they can move above cost. Still say GT cars are hyped up and it’s herd mentality …….my neighbor has a 9114S and has a ton of cash …..sees my speedster and says man I want that new GT3. I said why out of curiosity as your 4S has never been in the rain, he laughed and said I like that wing on the back🤦🏽‍♂️ (I just like watching the show unfortunately seen this movie play out many times)
Old 10-26-2022, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Maverick787
Yes agree, this was filtered with 100% used cars. A beautiful PTS speedster didn’t hit reserve highest bid 265k, and PTS easily pulled 390k a few months back. Apparently there is a Benz dealer that bought a ton of AMG 63 G-wagons and got stuck with 4M in inventory. Once was 100k plus over now 20k to MSRP. Buckle up will be a buyers market.
wow, that is strange news on the PTS Speedster....
Old 10-26-2022, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by RUF RS
wow, that is strange news on the PTS Speedster....
yes amazing spec
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...-speedster-31/


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