I wonder whether we can start a class action lawsuit against detuning the cars (if that in fact turns out to be the fix). We paid for SC and certain HP and would be none too happy to walk out of service with less HP...
Question 2: what if the neutering is buried in a generic "update" line item on the invoice and the dealer claims "proprietary" information thereby refusing to release details about the nature of the update. We won't even know what hit us to say nothing of its actual effects! Short of a dyno, how do we even "prove" that HP loss has taken place?

 

Agree. Also surprised that there has been absolutely nothing about this in the last two issues of Panorama.

 

Well, Porsche will most likely be required to make a payment to you to compensate for it. VW paid about $5k per owner in Dieselgate. Owner had options: 1.) accept payment and keep car with software reflash, 2.) make VW buyback vehicle at FMV and dump it, or 3.) do nothing....no money but I will keep my car and do not touch it. Only a State requiring strict annual emissions testing (maybe Califormia? don't know for sure?) before annual registration and license renewal could monitor and enforce any proposed "fix".

Porsche recently sent out a notice that the wife's Cayenne needed to have its ECU flashed under warranty. I called service advisor and had him send me copy of the work bulletin to read, review and consent before I made an appointment for the fix.

 

It's a "Stop Sale Campaign", unless your car is for sale and in dealer inventory, why would your VIN be included? When they come up with a "fix", your VIN will be included.

 

This makes sense.

Unless specific information comes out from Porsche, everything is just speculation. My advice is to deal with it once the official bulletin comes out, which will probably be similar to what was done with VW Dieselgate.

 

I would go with “1)” and get it tuned soon after,
“3)” makes no sense since these cars get sold nationwide

 

Look at the bright side, you may be able to sell it back to Porsche at FMV and upgrade to a .2 PDK.
Mind you it'll take you some time to adjust to the improved performance...

 

Thanks for clarifying. I thought ALL VINs were included for cars w/SC, etc.

Best,

 

IF, you wish to accept all the downside to a turbo which goes along with the upside. As they say in the Ozarks, “ I’ve never seen a pancake so flat that it did not have two sides.” I am very happy with my NA flat sixes and do not see a turbo anything anywhere in my future any time soon. One size shoe does not fit everyone,.....and the world would be a very boring place if it did.

 

Why must it impact performance. Just playing devil's advocate here. Chip companies can reprogram for a slight output increase and remain emission complaint. Why can Porsche not do the same. I get the logic behind the concern, but does anyone know for sure it will detune or is that just the speculation.

 

How do we know the HP will change?

I would wait and see what changes and then decide what to do.

If you cannot tell the difference then does it matter?

If the HP drops off then that is a different situation.

 

Smart money says the PDK would upset him more...

 

I can always rely on your entertainment!!

My fall back strategy would be to sell and enjoy the NA bimmers, or cough up for a GT.

Let's see how this mess goes....

 

Bless you...

 

Assuming this happens, it might help if someone had some dyno numbers before and after the reflash.