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really clean, nice looking Vette....
174
31.46%
a very different Vette but we'll sure as hell take it.
165
29.84%
i'll be ordering one soon.......
98
17.72%
No thank you
116
20.98%
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#1696
Anyone who thinks the service experience between Porsche and Chevy are on the same planet, need to get out more and actually own a GM. I liked my Malibu just fine and no complaints with the dealer I took it too, but the Porsche experience it was not.
We're talking McDonalds vs Ruth's Chris.
Every Porsche dealership I've serviced at (quite a few) are state of the art, very luxurious experience. I had a 718 Boxster S for a week once, another time a loaded up Panamera Hybrid. This is part of the experience you pay for (unfortunately as Porsche offer more downmarket cars, now you're more likely to get "stuck" with a base Macan or Cayenne.... the latter at least which has a new generation which should be steps above the old which was already surprisingly fairly fun, despite having a sluggish Audi drivetrain).
And I say this as someone who uses indies for any services I have to pay for (currently with an aftermarket warranty, so I'll switch between both)
GM dealership service in a C8 Vette? LOLLLLLLL. My OCD would go BONKERS. Already I'm paranoid as hell when I give my base Carrera to a dealer. But I stay rest assured that guys who drive far more expensive models and are even more detail oriented than me (if that's possible) entrust said dealers with their cars, so said dealers are trained and prepared to handle these cars a certain way (of course, there will be exceptions, but my experiences have been excellent with multiple dealers and indies). It helps quell your paranoia when there are $200K GT3's and $1+M 918's sitting in the service way.
Pulling a C8 into a dealership who typically work on $2,000 Cobalt's, pickup trucks, family hauler minivans and econo sedans, where the showroom looks like a zoo will be like nails on a chalkboard for multitudes of reasons, if you're even remotely OCD.
If I get a C8, that will be one of my biggest gripes. And my friend who has a GTR would nod in agreement.
We're talking McDonalds vs Ruth's Chris.
Every Porsche dealership I've serviced at (quite a few) are state of the art, very luxurious experience. I had a 718 Boxster S for a week once, another time a loaded up Panamera Hybrid. This is part of the experience you pay for (unfortunately as Porsche offer more downmarket cars, now you're more likely to get "stuck" with a base Macan or Cayenne.... the latter at least which has a new generation which should be steps above the old which was already surprisingly fairly fun, despite having a sluggish Audi drivetrain).
And I say this as someone who uses indies for any services I have to pay for (currently with an aftermarket warranty, so I'll switch between both)
GM dealership service in a C8 Vette? LOLLLLLLL. My OCD would go BONKERS. Already I'm paranoid as hell when I give my base Carrera to a dealer. But I stay rest assured that guys who drive far more expensive models and are even more detail oriented than me (if that's possible) entrust said dealers with their cars, so said dealers are trained and prepared to handle these cars a certain way (of course, there will be exceptions, but my experiences have been excellent with multiple dealers and indies). It helps quell your paranoia when there are $200K GT3's and $1+M 918's sitting in the service way.
Pulling a C8 into a dealership who typically work on $2,000 Cobalt's, pickup trucks, family hauler minivans and econo sedans, where the showroom looks like a zoo will be like nails on a chalkboard for multitudes of reasons, if you're even remotely OCD.
If I get a C8, that will be one of my biggest gripes. And my friend who has a GTR would nod in agreement.
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When I had C7s the Chevy dealership had a dedicated Vette Tech, who was the only one that worked on them and the first time it was in for service the Service Advisor introduced him to me and we chatted for a few minutes...he really seemed to care about his job and he covered everything before he got in and I watched him carefully lift his legs in and not drag his feet over the side sill (and he did not notice I was watching him). Regardless, I am not selling my Targa GTS for one.
#1698
An axiom for any product - There are only three available parameters.
Pick two. That's all you get. You only get 2.
High Performance + High Quality => ain't gonna be Cheap.
High Performance + Low Price => ain't gonna be Good. (*)
Yes thank you.. no need to keep going.
These comparisons of the UNKNOWN C8 (without ANY factual support data) to long lists of other KNOWN cars (with real world factual support data) have been absolutely ridiculous.
However you did mention the "R8" but didn't stipulate which one (V8/V10?). You can get a low mileage R8-V10 for about the same price as the C8 Z51 + Z51 Performance package.
AND the R8 has a well documented history.. the C8 is just a paper tiger. Then again you might be right on the money considering the maintenance of the C8 ain't gonna be cheap/easy.
Soulsea is a see'r!
+2 Nm2far.
Dittos for me, felt like junk plastic crap.
By the time I sat in the 3LT Gransport I knew too many bad things about the car.. so was maybe already jaded and predisposed to not liking it.
Funny true story though:
My first attempt at checking out the Grandsport at the local dealer.. drove down in my Prius.. parked on the lot n' got out of the car. No sales people even looked at me. Not even a hello and they weren't busy..
Went over to the Grandsport and started poking around all over the car.. still no attention from the dealer staff.
Went home, got in the Viper and drove back to the dealer.. parked on the lot n' before I could open the door to get out of the car, there were two sales guys standing there eager to help and answer all my questions.
By then I was a little annoyed, so I proceeded to ask all kinds of pointed questions about the known problems with the car. Didn't take long before they disappeared again saying they'd send the Service Mgr over to talk.
Never saw him, but I did get to sit in the car. Was not impressed.
N' what does it mean for addressing the known issues with the C7? Is GM just going to abandon it and let the aftermarket fix everything?
This might be a new "product cycle model".
True about the crappy slushbox transmission.. again no mention the AFM. If they ditched the AFM all together then it likely means the Gas Guzzler Tax is added to the bill.
So far, there's been zero information on that subject.
But exactly which "core mechanical shortcomings have been fixed"? How about you list them.
I doubt anyone on the 718 team has anything to worry about.
+10. Nobody wants a rattle trap!
+1 and thanks for posting that.
yea no words on what basic maintenance is going to be like. Wonder if there's going to be a small access panel inside the wheel well like on the Cayman/Boxster?
One of the other unspoken questions from the video is "will the folks buying a C8 in that price range be able to afford the maintenance and repair costs?".
That sticker shock just might be enough to send early adopters into dumping their C8's on the used market sooner rather than later.
We'll know in a couple of years.
+10 I was blown away by the sustained acceleration of the Tesla P75D AWD. It was INSANE!
My 2008 Viper did the quarter mile in 10.4 seconds at 134mph ..just as some kind of comparison point.. I guess.
Still gotta add in the Z51 Performance Package cost for the "0-60 under 3 seconds" stat.
Nobody knows the price for that package yet. Anybody?
Just over the last couple days it seems the hype is getting tamped down with real world questions and actual pricing information.
The rude awakening has begun.
1) Performance (Fast)
2) Quality (Good)
3) Price (Cheap)
Pick two. That's all you get. You only get 2.
High Performance + High Quality => ain't gonna be Cheap.
High Performance + Low Price => ain't gonna be Good. (*)
Yes thank you.. no need to keep going.
These comparisons of the UNKNOWN C8 (without ANY factual support data) to long lists of other KNOWN cars (with real world factual support data) have been absolutely ridiculous.
However you did mention the "R8" but didn't stipulate which one (V8/V10?). You can get a low mileage R8-V10 for about the same price as the C8 Z51 + Z51 Performance package.
AND the R8 has a well documented history.. the C8 is just a paper tiger. Then again you might be right on the money considering the maintenance of the C8 ain't gonna be cheap/easy.
I test drove a manual Grand Sport earlier this year and really liked the car but the interior was junk IMO. The 911 was far more refined in every way, and the Vette much more raw and visceral but not in a bad way. The 911 is now almost too refined and disconnected in some ways. A little raw and visceral as long as it’s not dangerous and can be reliable might be just the ticket for a weekend sports car. Take away the demographic DMC over marquees and they are both really great sports cars with different strengths and weaknesses. I see it with more emphasis on the same with different approaches than better or worse. I’m really looking forward to the detailed reviews and road tests that should be trickling out soon before I pass judgement.
You lost me with your "the interior was junk" observation. I see similar observations in this thread, and I strongly disagree. I can buy that the Corvette's interior is inferior to that of a 991, but to write that it's junk is way over the top. BTW I've never seen a 911's interior as being as one of its strong points.If I want top of the line interiors I'd buy an Audi A8L or MB S class. My wife has an Audi A8L and its interior is far superior to any 911 I've owned.
Maybe a bit strong - it struck me as not up to the same standards as the rest of the car, with the same kind of hard part plastic bits you see on economy GM products. VW’s have better interior trim. I didn’t see a 3LT that had Napa leather, however was unimpressed with the 2LT Mulan leather. Mustangs and Camaro’s suffer the same interior issue. It was what basically kept me from buying the car when I was looking at them seriously. I liked everything else about it, especially in a MT.
I’m hoping the new interior lives up to the PR - GM
I’m hoping the new interior lives up to the PR - GM
Exactly my gripe with the Vette and Camaro. Too much of THE cheapest hard plastic available used in highly visible areas. At least put a little foam padding underneath the vinyl and make it soft touch. Cutting costs inside the cockpit just cheapens the whole experience for me. That's not to say I won't be owning one of the first C8's. I just might.
Dittos for me, felt like junk plastic crap.
By the time I sat in the 3LT Gransport I knew too many bad things about the car.. so was maybe already jaded and predisposed to not liking it.
Funny true story though:
My first attempt at checking out the Grandsport at the local dealer.. drove down in my Prius.. parked on the lot n' got out of the car. No sales people even looked at me. Not even a hello and they weren't busy..
Went over to the Grandsport and started poking around all over the car.. still no attention from the dealer staff.
Went home, got in the Viper and drove back to the dealer.. parked on the lot n' before I could open the door to get out of the car, there were two sales guys standing there eager to help and answer all my questions.
By then I was a little annoyed, so I proceeded to ask all kinds of pointed questions about the known problems with the car. Didn't take long before they disappeared again saying they'd send the Service Mgr over to talk.
Never saw him, but I did get to sit in the car. Was not impressed.
N' what does it mean for addressing the known issues with the C7? Is GM just going to abandon it and let the aftermarket fix everything?
This might be a new "product cycle model".
- Let the problems stack up without addressing them
- Let the warranty run out
- Let the aftermarket make it better
- Move the biggest fixes to the next release
The big problems with the C7 weren't related to the interior quality or the engine placement. What kept it from being taken seriously was its crappy slushbox transmission and Conestoga-era suspension.
The new mid-engine architecture is a big step forward, but the real news is that the core mechanical shortcomings have been fixed.
Pretty exciting stuff IMO. I would be mailing out resumes right about now, if I worked on the 718 team.
The new mid-engine architecture is a big step forward, but the real news is that the core mechanical shortcomings have been fixed.
Pretty exciting stuff IMO. I would be mailing out resumes right about now, if I worked on the 718 team.
So far, there's been zero information on that subject.
But exactly which "core mechanical shortcomings have been fixed"? How about you list them.
I doubt anyone on the 718 team has anything to worry about.
I agree with you in regards to interior build materials. In my personal experience the main difference is in the build tolerances. After tracking my C7 Z07 about 15 times the car had completely changed. Rattles, panels a lot looser, that sort of thing. My 991 cars never suffered this kind of fatigue. Not an issue if you’re not tracking but it’s no small or common thing for a car to stay consistent after repeated track abuse.
engine access: worth a listen, imo.....@9:20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0mFoNpVZ5c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0mFoNpVZ5c
yea no words on what basic maintenance is going to be like. Wonder if there's going to be a small access panel inside the wheel well like on the Cayman/Boxster?
One of the other unspoken questions from the video is "will the folks buying a C8 in that price range be able to afford the maintenance and repair costs?".
That sticker shock just might be enough to send early adopters into dumping their C8's on the used market sooner rather than later.
We'll know in a couple of years.
why does anyone care about 0-60mph? it has so little relevance these days.
"With only 3,464 pounds of car to move, the Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport does a standing quarter mile in just 12.2 seconds at 116.1 mph. On the way there, it blows past 60 mph in only 3.9 seconds. " Motortrend 2017.
"With only 3,464 pounds of car to move, the Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport does a standing quarter mile in just 12.2 seconds at 116.1 mph. On the way there, it blows past 60 mph in only 3.9 seconds. " Motortrend 2017.
My 2008 Viper did the quarter mile in 10.4 seconds at 134mph ..just as some kind of comparison point.. I guess.
The C7 the Z51 pkg which includes limited slip, exhaust, bigger brakes, suspension sells for around $5k, C5 and C6 had similar Z51 pkgs at similar price points. The rumor is that the C8 pkg includes
- Michelin® PS4 Performance 3 Season tires†
- Standard FE3 Performance Suspension
- Larger 345 mm front and 350 mm rear brake rotors
- Extra cooling with additional rear-mounted third radiator
- Electronic Limited-Slip Differential
- Larger rear spoiler provides up to 400 lbs. of downforce
- Performance exhaust results in 495 HP
Nobody knows the price for that package yet. Anybody?
Just over the last couple days it seems the hype is getting tamped down with real world questions and actual pricing information.
The rude awakening has begun.
#1699
Pro
I accept these points.
The more consistent camber angle under different loading conditions should give more consistent tire wear, and probably somewhat better rear grip. The E-diff can be controlled more intelligently than a conventional LSD. If it’s going to be heavily in tracked, less tire wear and cheaper parts would make it cheaper to operate. Porsche has never been competitive with Chevy in lap times per MSRP or consumable price, and the story continues here. It’s the same story as C7 vs 991/981, C6 vs 997/987, C5 vs 996/986 etc.
For my application (road car/garage queen), I find the Spyder nicer to look at, will probably be more fun and nimble, and cheaper to own too.
I still don’t expect the base C51 Vette to be very different in lap times than a PDK 718 GT4, but we’ll see.
The more consistent camber angle under different loading conditions should give more consistent tire wear, and probably somewhat better rear grip. The E-diff can be controlled more intelligently than a conventional LSD. If it’s going to be heavily in tracked, less tire wear and cheaper parts would make it cheaper to operate. Porsche has never been competitive with Chevy in lap times per MSRP or consumable price, and the story continues here. It’s the same story as C7 vs 991/981, C6 vs 997/987, C5 vs 996/986 etc.
For my application (road car/garage queen), I find the Spyder nicer to look at, will probably be more fun and nimble, and cheaper to own too.
I still don’t expect the base C51 Vette to be very different in lap times than a PDK 718 GT4, but we’ll see.
Here is a nice primer from folks at GrigsRacing that specialize on Mustangs, but it still applies, look at their conclusions same car same power to weight ratio, just changing the suspension geometry (not just alignment), and subsequent difference in laptimes. They are right next to Sonoma Raceway in CA and are a very reputable Mustang shop, they know what they are doing.
https://www.griggsracing.com/chassis...pherson-strut/
For your particular use, the Spyder makes perfect sense, I love the way that the 981/718 Spyder looks, it will be a classic someday
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#1700
Pro
An axiom for any product - There are only three available parameters.
Pick two. That's all you get. You only get 2.
High Performance + High Quality => ain't gonna be Cheap.
High Performance + Low Price => ain't gonna be Good. (*)
Yes thank you.. no need to keep going.
These comparisons of the UNKNOWN C8 (without ANY factual support data) to long lists of other KNOWN cars (with real world factual support data) have been absolutely ridiculous.
However you did mention the "R8" but didn't stipulate which one (V8/V10?). You can get a low mileage R8-V10 for about the same price as the C8 Z51 + Z51 Performance package.
AND the R8 has a well documented history.. the C8 is just a paper tiger. Then again you might be right on the money considering the maintenance of the C8 ain't gonna be cheap/easy.
Soulsea is a see'r!
+2 Nm2far.
Dittos for me, felt like junk plastic crap.
By the time I sat in the 3LT Gransport I knew too many bad things about the car.. so was maybe already jaded and predisposed to not liking it.
Funny true story though:
My first attempt at checking out the Grandsport at the local dealer.. drove down in my Prius.. parked on the lot n' got out of the car. No sales people even looked at me. Not even a hello and they weren't busy..
Went over to the Grandsport and started poking around all over the car.. still no attention from the dealer staff.
Went home, got in the Viper and drove back to the dealer.. parked on the lot n' before I could open the door to get out of the car, there were two sales guys standing there eager to help and answer all my questions.
By then I was a little annoyed, so I proceeded to ask all kinds of pointed questions about the known problems with the car. Didn't take long before they disappeared again saying they'd send the Service Mgr over to talk.
Never saw him, but I did get to sit in the car. Was not impressed.
N' what does it mean for addressing the known issues with the C7? Is GM just going to abandon it and let the aftermarket fix everything?
This might be a new "product cycle model".
True about the crappy slushbox transmission.. again no mention the AFM. If they ditched the AFM all together then it likely means the Gas Guzzler Tax is added to the bill.
So far, there's been zero information on that subject.
But exactly which "core mechanical shortcomings have been fixed"? How about you list them.
I doubt anyone on the 718 team has anything to worry about.
+10. Nobody wants a rattle trap!
+1 and thanks for posting that.
yea no words on what basic maintenance is going to be like. Wonder if there's going to be a small access panel inside the wheel well like on the Cayman/Boxster?
One of the other unspoken questions from the video is "will the folks buying a C8 in that price range be able to afford the maintenance and repair costs?".
That sticker shock just might be enough to send early adopters into dumping their C8's on the used market sooner rather than later.
We'll know in a couple of years.
+10 I was blown away by the sustained acceleration of the Tesla P75D AWD. It was INSANE!
My 2008 Viper did the quarter mile in 10.4 seconds at 134mph ..just as some kind of comparison point.. I guess.
Still gotta add in the Z51 Performance Package cost for the "0-60 under 3 seconds" stat.
Nobody knows the price for that package yet. Anybody?
Just over the last couple days it seems the hype is getting tamped down with real world questions and actual pricing information.
The rude awakening has begun.
1) Performance (Fast)
2) Quality (Good)
3) Price (Cheap)
Pick two. That's all you get. You only get 2.
High Performance + High Quality => ain't gonna be Cheap.
High Performance + Low Price => ain't gonna be Good. (*)
Yes thank you.. no need to keep going.
These comparisons of the UNKNOWN C8 (without ANY factual support data) to long lists of other KNOWN cars (with real world factual support data) have been absolutely ridiculous.
However you did mention the "R8" but didn't stipulate which one (V8/V10?). You can get a low mileage R8-V10 for about the same price as the C8 Z51 + Z51 Performance package.
AND the R8 has a well documented history.. the C8 is just a paper tiger. Then again you might be right on the money considering the maintenance of the C8 ain't gonna be cheap/easy.
Soulsea is a see'r!
+2 Nm2far.
Dittos for me, felt like junk plastic crap.
By the time I sat in the 3LT Gransport I knew too many bad things about the car.. so was maybe already jaded and predisposed to not liking it.
Funny true story though:
My first attempt at checking out the Grandsport at the local dealer.. drove down in my Prius.. parked on the lot n' got out of the car. No sales people even looked at me. Not even a hello and they weren't busy..
Went over to the Grandsport and started poking around all over the car.. still no attention from the dealer staff.
Went home, got in the Viper and drove back to the dealer.. parked on the lot n' before I could open the door to get out of the car, there were two sales guys standing there eager to help and answer all my questions.
By then I was a little annoyed, so I proceeded to ask all kinds of pointed questions about the known problems with the car. Didn't take long before they disappeared again saying they'd send the Service Mgr over to talk.
Never saw him, but I did get to sit in the car. Was not impressed.
N' what does it mean for addressing the known issues with the C7? Is GM just going to abandon it and let the aftermarket fix everything?
This might be a new "product cycle model".
- Let the problems stack up without addressing them
- Let the warranty run out
- Let the aftermarket make it better
- Move the biggest fixes to the next release
True about the crappy slushbox transmission.. again no mention the AFM. If they ditched the AFM all together then it likely means the Gas Guzzler Tax is added to the bill.
So far, there's been zero information on that subject.
But exactly which "core mechanical shortcomings have been fixed"? How about you list them.
I doubt anyone on the 718 team has anything to worry about.
+10. Nobody wants a rattle trap!
+1 and thanks for posting that.
yea no words on what basic maintenance is going to be like. Wonder if there's going to be a small access panel inside the wheel well like on the Cayman/Boxster?
One of the other unspoken questions from the video is "will the folks buying a C8 in that price range be able to afford the maintenance and repair costs?".
That sticker shock just might be enough to send early adopters into dumping their C8's on the used market sooner rather than later.
We'll know in a couple of years.
+10 I was blown away by the sustained acceleration of the Tesla P75D AWD. It was INSANE!
My 2008 Viper did the quarter mile in 10.4 seconds at 134mph ..just as some kind of comparison point.. I guess.
Still gotta add in the Z51 Performance Package cost for the "0-60 under 3 seconds" stat.
Nobody knows the price for that package yet. Anybody?
Just over the last couple days it seems the hype is getting tamped down with real world questions and actual pricing information.
The rude awakening has begun.
#1701
I accept these points.
The more consistent camber angle under different loading conditions should give more consistent tire wear, and probably somewhat better rear grip. The E-diff can be controlled more intelligently than a conventional LSD. If it’s going to be heavily in tracked, less tire wear and cheaper parts would make it cheaper to operate. Porsche has never been competitive with Chevy in lap times per MSRP or consumable price, and the story continues here. It’s the same story as C7 vs 991/981, C6 vs 997/987, C5 vs 996/986 etc.
For my application (road car/garage queen), I find the Spyder nicer to look at, will probably be more fun and nimble, and cheaper to own too.
I still don’t expect the base C51 Vette to be very different in lap times than a PDK 718 GT4, but we’ll see.
The more consistent camber angle under different loading conditions should give more consistent tire wear, and probably somewhat better rear grip. The E-diff can be controlled more intelligently than a conventional LSD. If it’s going to be heavily in tracked, less tire wear and cheaper parts would make it cheaper to operate. Porsche has never been competitive with Chevy in lap times per MSRP or consumable price, and the story continues here. It’s the same story as C7 vs 991/981, C6 vs 997/987, C5 vs 996/986 etc.
For my application (road car/garage queen), I find the Spyder nicer to look at, will probably be more fun and nimble, and cheaper to own too.
I still don’t expect the base C51 Vette to be very different in lap times than a PDK 718 GT4, but we’ll see.
Almost everyone has been focused on the C8's sub 3 sec 0-60 time. Sub 3 sec means 2.9+. If it were 2.8 secs or lower, I guarantee you that the exact time would be listed. Just like a dealer who advertises a car for under $50K. We all know that means $4,995 or even $4,999. Moreover, how many C8 owners will be able to replicate the sub 3 sec time? My guess would be very few. My assumptions are that the sub 3 sec time was done by a professional driver who made many attempts before the sub 3 sec time was recorded. I can guarantee you that the sub 3 sec time wasn't done with a full tank of gas, in 90 degree temperatures and high humidity. So in the "real world ", I would expect most C8 owners will run a mid 3 sec 0-60. I'm not suggesting that's a slow time, but it certainly isn't as sexy a marketing gimmick as sub 3 secs.
So I look forward to seeing lap times. Even if the GT4 is a little faster, the C8 is still one hell of a car for the money. It's only drawback is the absence of a MT.
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#1702
The Z06 overheated. The NA cars had no problems at all. I had none in my car with tons of track hours. Name a car without an issue... the GT4 has the transmission and strut tower problem, the GT3 had engine issues, etc. Wouldn't stop me from buying the GT4 and an issue a past generation Corvette had wouldn't stop me from buying a new one. Besides, GM developed this car from scratch so, knowing all of the heat issues the Z06 had, I'm pretty sure they will have sorted that in this car. Regardless, the car will likely have an issue... just like most every other car.
The Z06 is a fantastic performance and track value and is among the fastest track cars on earth, as are Porsches but let's not kid ourselves that Porsche doesn't have a list of inherent problems also.
#1703
Rennlist Member
An axiom for any product - There are only three available parameters.
Pick two. That's all you get. You only get 2.
High Performance + High Quality => ain't gonna be Cheap.
High Performance + Low Price => ain't gonna be Good. (*)
1) Performance (Fast)
2) Quality (Good)
3) Price (Cheap)
Pick two. That's all you get. You only get 2.
High Performance + High Quality => ain't gonna be Cheap.
High Performance + Low Price => ain't gonna be Good. (*)
Yes thank you.. no need to keep going.
These comparisons of the UNKNOWN C8 (without ANY factual support data) to long lists of other KNOWN cars (with real world factual support data) have been absolutely ridiculous.
However you did mention the "R8" but didn't stipulate which one (V8/V10?). You can get a low mileage R8-V10 for about the same price as the C8 Z51 + Z51 Performance package.
AND the R8 has a well documented history.. the C8 is just a paper tiger. Then again you might be right on the money considering the maintenance of the C8 ain't gonna be cheap/easy.
These comparisons of the UNKNOWN C8 (without ANY factual support data) to long lists of other KNOWN cars (with real world factual support data) have been absolutely ridiculous.
However you did mention the "R8" but didn't stipulate which one (V8/V10?). You can get a low mileage R8-V10 for about the same price as the C8 Z51 + Z51 Performance package.
AND the R8 has a well documented history.. the C8 is just a paper tiger. Then again you might be right on the money considering the maintenance of the C8 ain't gonna be cheap/easy.
Soulsea is a see'r!
+2 Nm2far.
Dittos for me, felt like junk plastic crap.
By the time I sat in the 3LT Gransport I knew too many bad things about the car.. so was maybe already jaded and predisposed to not liking it.
Funny true story though:
My first attempt at checking out the Grandsport at the local dealer.. drove down in my Prius.. parked on the lot n' got out of the car. No sales people even looked at me. Not even a hello and they weren't busy..
Went over to the Grandsport and started poking around all over the car.. still no attention from the dealer staff.
Went home, got in the Viper and drove back to the dealer.. parked on the lot n' before I could open the door to get out of the car, there were two sales guys standing there eager to help and answer all my questions.
By then I was a little annoyed, so I proceeded to ask all kinds of pointed questions about the known problems with the car. Didn't take long before they disappeared again saying they'd send the Service Mgr over to talk.
Never saw him, but I did get to sit in the car. Was not impressed.
+2 Nm2far.
Dittos for me, felt like junk plastic crap.
By the time I sat in the 3LT Gransport I knew too many bad things about the car.. so was maybe already jaded and predisposed to not liking it.
Funny true story though:
My first attempt at checking out the Grandsport at the local dealer.. drove down in my Prius.. parked on the lot n' got out of the car. No sales people even looked at me. Not even a hello and they weren't busy..
Went over to the Grandsport and started poking around all over the car.. still no attention from the dealer staff.
Went home, got in the Viper and drove back to the dealer.. parked on the lot n' before I could open the door to get out of the car, there were two sales guys standing there eager to help and answer all my questions.
By then I was a little annoyed, so I proceeded to ask all kinds of pointed questions about the known problems with the car. Didn't take long before they disappeared again saying they'd send the Service Mgr over to talk.
Never saw him, but I did get to sit in the car. Was not impressed.
Funny true story though:
My first attempt at checking out the 911 at the local dealer.. drove down in my Prius.. parked on the lot n' got out of the car. No sales people even looked at me. Not even a hello and they weren't busy..
Went over to the 911 and started poking around all over the car.. still no attention from the dealer staff.
Went home, got in the first gen NSX and drove back to the dealer.. parked on the lot n' before I could open the door to get out of the car, there were two sales guys standing there eager to help and answer all my questions.
By then I was a little annoyed, so I proceeded to ask all kinds of pointed questions about the known problems with the car. Didn't take long before they disappeared again saying they'd send the Service Mgr over to talk.
Never saw him, but I did get to sit in the car. Was not impressed.
See how that works? Every marque has problems. EVERY marque has problems. And as a person who has worked in the car industry, the story is the same about sales people, from "lowly" Chevy to "elite" Porsche. Their job is to size you up and sell you something.
N' what does it mean for addressing the known issues with the C7? Is GM just going to abandon it and let the aftermarket fix everything?
This might be a new "product cycle model".
- Let the problems stack up without addressing them
- Let the warranty run out
- Let the aftermarket make it better
- Move the biggest fixes to the next release
True about the crappy slushbox transmission.. again no mention the AFM. If they ditched the AFM all together then it likely means the Gas Guzzler Tax is added to the bill.
So far, there's been zero information on that subject.
But exactly which "core mechanical shortcomings have been fixed"? How about you list them.
I doubt anyone on the 718 team has anything to worry about.
And yes, the 718 team does have a lot to worry about. Since the new release, sales for the car is sliding down off the charts. People don't want them. Who wants a non-practical 4 cylinder car for that price point?
+10. Nobody wants a rattle trap!
+1 and thanks for posting that.
yea no words on what basic maintenance is going to be like. Wonder if there's going to be a small access panel inside the wheel well like on the Cayman/Boxster?
One of the other unspoken questions from the video is "will the folks buying a C8 in that price range be able to afford the maintenance and repair costs?".
That sticker shock just might be enough to send early adopters into dumping their C8's on the used market sooner rather than later.
We'll know in a couple of years.
+1 and thanks for posting that.
yea no words on what basic maintenance is going to be like. Wonder if there's going to be a small access panel inside the wheel well like on the Cayman/Boxster?
One of the other unspoken questions from the video is "will the folks buying a C8 in that price range be able to afford the maintenance and repair costs?".
That sticker shock just might be enough to send early adopters into dumping their C8's on the used market sooner rather than later.
We'll know in a couple of years.
There is no "rude awakening". The car hasn't been released yet, and most car enthusiasts are excited that something like this will be released and wish it success.
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This is with DAL (dual axle lift) on...
Seriously, the body already looks so low -- a 2" lowering (to eliminate those fender gaps) would slam it into the ground.
Seriously, the body already looks so low -- a 2" lowering (to eliminate those fender gaps) would slam it into the ground.
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Yea, baby ! The elitism is flowing baby! I bet the boys on the Corvette Team are loving 113 pages of teeth mashing by the Porsche guys ! Twisting in the wind over the new C8. The C6 and C7 have been handing it to Porsche on the track for years and now C8 taking it to another level for half the money.
Keep the elitism flowing while paying 3000 dollars for leather air vents. In the meantime, C8 has sucked the air right out of the room.
Keep the elitism flowing while paying 3000 dollars for leather air vents. In the meantime, C8 has sucked the air right out of the room.
Its not “elitism” to prefer steak over a hamburger. It’s called freedom of choice and a working knowledge of both brands. I don’t think German/Italian car owners car as much as you think they do about anything from GM.
The very idea that the poor little Chevy is not considered equal to more historical brands that don’t make minivans is outrageous. How dare the new Corvette without anyone driving it yet not be taken as a serious supercar.
This is the same company that brought us the exotic mid engine Fiero. GM is running a super hype advertising campaign and shockingly some that have a little history under their belts can see right through it. I don’t run out and buy a McRib when Mc Donald’s starts that hype advertising every year either.
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The Corvette vs Porsche comparison is 4 decades long. It’s fueled by budget minded car seekers validating not paying high end prestige car prices. The Chevy Corvette will never be a prestige car and that doesn’t matter to some and others, style and prestige is a important factor if they admit it or not. It’s only human nature.
Everyone assumes everyone’s priorities are the same and the definition of “better” has 100s of different meanings.
In the end it always boils down to buying the car that you can afford that makes you smile most.
For the record I could never go back to the Chevy ownership experience. Bush-league price point car dealers and service center treatment. The new Vette would have to be unworldly amazing to deal with that ownership experience. Imagine dealing with them with extensive warranty claims on a new Corvette. “Sorry sir the parts are not available for 2 weeks but you can sign out a Sonic as a service loaner.”
I also lost a crap load of money on the GM bailout that probably still irritates me.
Everyone assumes everyone’s priorities are the same and the definition of “better” has 100s of different meanings.
In the end it always boils down to buying the car that you can afford that makes you smile most.
For the record I could never go back to the Chevy ownership experience. Bush-league price point car dealers and service center treatment. The new Vette would have to be unworldly amazing to deal with that ownership experience. Imagine dealing with them with extensive warranty claims on a new Corvette. “Sorry sir the parts are not available for 2 weeks but you can sign out a Sonic as a service loaner.”
I also lost a crap load of money on the GM bailout that probably still irritates me.
The one change is that the C8 brings the prestige of mid-engine. That will bring in some buyers but not dramatically changing the conquest buyer equation.
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GM press release to the Corvette club:
“Everything we told you about our designs and racing history over the last 50 years were wrong. We got it wrong and we are going to try putting the engine in this location and see how it works? Your current front engine cars are now worthless and inferior but we hope you will buy our new Corvette design and see how we do with it. UAW thanks you for your past support.”
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I'm waiting for the dust to settle and the bespoke tremec DCT to prove itself before I even test drive one.
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