The Giant EV General Discussion Thread
09-15-2023, 04:07 PM
#391
Heck, aren't base and S people having heat soak issues on the track because they're missing the third radiator of the GTS and above? I imagine cooling an EV is similar to cooling a phone or computer. Phones are fine under normal use but start playing a game or doing anything intensive and after a few minutes they're quite warm to the touch. With computers, cooling a high powered CPU or GPU under ~75% load is much different than trying to keep one cool at 100%, especially if you start overclocking. Add in space constraints and it becomes difficult without undervolting. The beauty of having a device like an EV designed around a fixed power level makes it simpler, but a co-worker of mine has a Model 3 (non-P) and the radiator fans on that thing will spin up like crazy on hot days after even normal driving. I don't have any personal experience with Taycans but if Porsche can figure out the cooling part (if they haven't already), then they'll be able to push the EV 718 further at full power, which will really help.
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09-15-2023, 04:10 PM
#392
Yeah, either way, I Do Not Want a first gen EV cayman/Boxster until it’s been well tested and the technology starts to plateau a bit. Just like I didn’t want a first gen water cooled Porsche. EV tech is moving so fast it’s like catching a falling knife if you jump on board in the next 5-10 years. At least just lease.
But you can’t deny, the number of gas stations peaked 15 years ago and have only been decreasing. There will never be more gas stations from now on, this number is only going down. I have some faint hope about Porsche or VAG developing a viable synthetic fuel that could perhaps burn cleaner but it won’t be cheap lol.
But you can’t deny, the number of gas stations peaked 15 years ago and have only been decreasing. There will never be more gas stations from now on, this number is only going down. I have some faint hope about Porsche or VAG developing a viable synthetic fuel that could perhaps burn cleaner but it won’t be cheap lol.
synthetic fuels may save motorsports but they won’t be economically effective for normal people. Like hydrogen, they cost a lot more than dinojuice and are extremely energy intensive to create.
09-16-2023, 03:01 PM
#393
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completely agree.
however daveo4porsche has tracked fairly extensively a Telsa M3P, a Taycan, and a GT3/RS. My recollection is that he said the M3P could only manage one track lap before overheating, and that the Taycan was much better, but still the Taycan only managed 3 track laps, and was still clearly inferior for the rigors of a track day compared to a GT3/RS.
Hopefully Dave can elaborate, as this is just my recollection of some of his posts.
09-18-2023, 01:03 PM
#394
Instructor
09-18-2023, 04:41 PM
#395
Good observation on the indicated range and state of charge. I would assume the car had been at typical Autobahn speed of about 130kmh. Still looks like maybe a smallish 70kwh-ish pack size with a typical range in the low-200 mile area.
09-18-2023, 04:48 PM
#396
agree. Some of you may have seen the posts by dave regarding tracking the Taycan. Despite the fact that this feature added a great deal of engineering AND weight to the Taycan, a Taycan still can’t do more than 3 laps without entering limp mode. Better than the Tesla which can only do one lap before issues arise!
EVs aren’t the answer to everything. They make great sense for daily drivers, and local delivery trucks:buses traveling in defined areas.
The don't make sense for track cars, long haul semis, passenger airplanes, long distance shipping, or long road trips, etc.
EVs aren’t the answer to everything. They make great sense for daily drivers, and local delivery trucks:buses traveling in defined areas.
The don't make sense for track cars, long haul semis, passenger airplanes, long distance shipping, or long road trips, etc.
answer: about 5 (and note he's not absolutely banging it either for fear of death)
note: the course is about 5 miles uphill
but still for a car with a supposed 300 mile range that is HORRIBLE
09-18-2023, 09:52 PM
#397
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09-19-2023, 09:07 AM
#399
Burning Brakes
It will be interesting to see how well received it will. Remember when the 2.5T GTS was released? Even though it had better performance, better handling, better fuel economy just better in every way EXCEPT sound. The purists and journalists absolutely crushed it because it didn’t sound like a six cylinder car. Because they didn’t like the sound, the car never achieved the respect that it deserved. Now they are going to bring out a car with NO sound!!
Can you imagine if this car has wishbone suspension all around and goes 0-60 in 3.0 seconds (pure speculation on my part) can you imagine what the purists and journalists will say to better performance and handling but ……NO SOUND !!
Can you imagine if this car has wishbone suspension all around and goes 0-60 in 3.0 seconds (pure speculation on my part) can you imagine what the purists and journalists will say to better performance and handling but ……NO SOUND !!
Last edited by OldJedi; 09-19-2023 at 09:08 AM.
09-19-2023, 11:40 AM
#401
They always do that as part of the camouflage. Must be some kind of inside joke.
09-19-2023, 11:58 AM
#402
Burning Brakes
The dilemma that Porsche has is that according to multiple dealers I talked to, there's almost zero interest in the EV 718. Meanwhile, people are scrambling to get the last of the 4.0L Cayman and Boxsters.
I think this is a big mistake, and might get a few early adopters but sales will taper off quickly - similar to Taycan.
I have a unique perspective coming from a 991.2 manual T, then went to a Taycan and now back to 992 manual T. My next car will be a GT3 Touring. The Taycan lasted in my garage for 5 months. It was an appliance and the antithesis of what I think of when it comes to a Porsche experience. No amount of fake engine noise or 2-speed transmissions can overcome the fact that it's a boring / linear / simplistic driving experience. I had the big battery and I still had crap range (240 miles) and never really got that much. 200 miles is a joke, when Tesla is about to have 420 in a Model 3. I should be the target audience for vehicles like this, I'm not yet 40 and can easily grasp the technology. Another issue I had with the Taycan was the update process, my car had to go sit at the dealer for 2 weeks while they updated my car meanwhile Tesla can push OTA's to cars weekly with no issue. The infotainment would crash and completely go blank on me leaving me unable to change the music and required a hard reset every time. It was atrocious. And updates were few and far between. I will say the build quality was great, however, as expected.
A lot of us go on drives on great roads, most are not nearby and sometimes I need to go about 40+ miles to get to a good driving road (Eastern Tennessee or Western NC), and then really hammer the car for 1+ hour on the roads, plus the return trip. I highly doubt that a 200 mile range Cayman would do the trick - particularly when you charge to 80% so that knocks down the range to 160 miles and you only get that in optimal conditions.
There may be a reason why no one else besides the first Tesla has launched an attainable EV sports car yet. Beta test this car at your own risk.
I think this is a big mistake, and might get a few early adopters but sales will taper off quickly - similar to Taycan.
I have a unique perspective coming from a 991.2 manual T, then went to a Taycan and now back to 992 manual T. My next car will be a GT3 Touring. The Taycan lasted in my garage for 5 months. It was an appliance and the antithesis of what I think of when it comes to a Porsche experience. No amount of fake engine noise or 2-speed transmissions can overcome the fact that it's a boring / linear / simplistic driving experience. I had the big battery and I still had crap range (240 miles) and never really got that much. 200 miles is a joke, when Tesla is about to have 420 in a Model 3. I should be the target audience for vehicles like this, I'm not yet 40 and can easily grasp the technology. Another issue I had with the Taycan was the update process, my car had to go sit at the dealer for 2 weeks while they updated my car meanwhile Tesla can push OTA's to cars weekly with no issue. The infotainment would crash and completely go blank on me leaving me unable to change the music and required a hard reset every time. It was atrocious. And updates were few and far between. I will say the build quality was great, however, as expected.
A lot of us go on drives on great roads, most are not nearby and sometimes I need to go about 40+ miles to get to a good driving road (Eastern Tennessee or Western NC), and then really hammer the car for 1+ hour on the roads, plus the return trip. I highly doubt that a 200 mile range Cayman would do the trick - particularly when you charge to 80% so that knocks down the range to 160 miles and you only get that in optimal conditions.
There may be a reason why no one else besides the first Tesla has launched an attainable EV sports car yet. Beta test this car at your own risk.
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09-19-2023, 12:57 PM
#403
It will be interesting to see how well received it will. Remember when the 2.5T GTS was released? Even though it had better performance, better handling, better fuel economy just better in every way EXCEPT sound. The purists and journalists absolutely crushed it because it didn’t sound like a six cylinder car. Because they didn’t like the sound, the car never achieved the respect that it deserved. Now they are going to bring out a car with NO sound!!
Can you imagine if this car has wishbone suspension all around and goes 0-60 in 3.0 seconds (pure speculation on my part) can you imagine what the purists and journalists will say to better performance and handling but ……NO SOUND !!
Can you imagine if this car has wishbone suspension all around and goes 0-60 in 3.0 seconds (pure speculation on my part) can you imagine what the purists and journalists will say to better performance and handling but ……NO SOUND !!
Last edited by Larson E. Rapp; 09-20-2023 at 01:50 PM.
09-19-2023, 01:49 PM
#404
It will be interesting to see how well received it will. Remember when the 2.5T GTS was released? Even though it had better performance, better handling, better fuel economy just better in every way EXCEPT sound. The purists and journalists absolutely crushed it because it didn’t sound like a six cylinder car. Because they didn’t like the sound, the car never achieved the respect that it deserved. Now they are going to bring out a car with NO sound!!
Can you imagine if this car has wishbone suspension all around and goes 0-60 in 3.0 seconds (pure speculation on my part) can you imagine what the purists and journalists will say to better performance and handling but ……NO SOUND !!
Can you imagine if this car has wishbone suspension all around and goes 0-60 in 3.0 seconds (pure speculation on my part) can you imagine what the purists and journalists will say to better performance and handling but ……NO SOUND !!
09-19-2023, 01:50 PM
#405
