The Giant EV General Discussion Thread
12-26-2023, 07:48 PM
#541
Agreed. I work back and forth between here and Northern Louisiana and in the past 2 years I think I've seen 1 EV. The only charging station(s) I see is at the hotel and it sits empty. Can guarantee there's no customer base down there lol
12-27-2023, 11:41 AM
#542
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Is it the people in coastal cities that are of touch or the people in fly-over country?
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12-27-2023, 11:45 AM
#543
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We need choice..... Build a better Vehicle that meets their needs, and folks will buy it!
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12-27-2023, 01:45 PM
#544
12-27-2023, 02:48 PM
#545
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So by your logic the majority of the people are out of touch (with reality)?
12-28-2023, 10:25 PM
#546
Drifting
Even if 99% of people live in coastal cities, if they're too ignorant to realize someone rural lives a very different life than them then ya, they're out of touch with reality.
12-28-2023, 11:05 PM
#547
No, what? that's not true. Only 30% of the US population lives in core urban environments. 25% lives in suburbia. The rest live in small town america or completely rural. Core city dwellers percentage of the population hasn't changed since the late 70s either and it's only suburbia and small towns that are increasing in population. As for coastal counties they house less than 30% of the population and not all that population lives in metro areas.
Even if 99% of people live in coastal cities, if they're too ignorant to realize someone rural lives a very different life than them then ya, they're out of touch with reality.
Even if 99% of people live in coastal cities, if they're too ignorant to realize someone rural lives a very different life than them then ya, they're out of touch with reality.
lol, yup....pretty much anybody outside of California are considered hillbillies by us Californians
just kidding....kinda
12-28-2023, 11:21 PM
#548
I'm glad I'm not in the C-suite at an automaker who has to make these decisions. That said, I still think the four-banger 718s should have been electric from the get-go. They would have sold just as well, and Porsche would now have the engineering and marketing experience they need, instead of having to guess at what will happen.
There is at least some demand for high-margin EV sports cars, given that people have been shoving six-figure deposits at Musk for a new Roadster for years now. People who are into those are really into them.
There is at least some demand for high-margin EV sports cars, given that people have been shoving six-figure deposits at Musk for a new Roadster for years now. People who are into those are really into them.
Having said this, I’m not against an EV powered 718 replacement but it’s definitely gonna be a different experience. Not saying that it’ll be better or worse… just that it’ll be different. If anyone can pull it off, it’ll be Porsche’s engineers and they’ll sell them at a decent pace. As others have mentioned, folks that love EV’s often tend to REALLY love them.
12-29-2023, 01:11 AM
#549
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ANY EV car including EV Porsches get old soon like an iPhone
this time they can't play the Lucky Nostalgia song
to justify the tech obsolescence
solid state battery should come first from Porsche, BMW or Ford but its Gelly ,BYD, aka aka China....
welcome to the end folks
R.I.P. Western world
this time they can't play the Lucky Nostalgia song
to justify the tech obsolescence
solid state battery should come first from Porsche, BMW or Ford but its Gelly ,BYD, aka aka China....
welcome to the end folks
R.I.P. Western world
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12-29-2023, 09:25 AM
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solid state batteries are a big deal-
*1/3 of weight (or triple range with same weight)
*Charge twice as fast
*5x the number of charge cycles=longer car life
*More stable with much less fire risk.
They are difficult to make and multiple companies are working on them. Once a dependable solid state car battery is developed, every current EV on the planet will be worth dramatically less, as they will be obsolete compared to the EVs with solid state batteries.
That gives me pause before paying 90 to 100k for an electric 718 with traditional lithium batteries.
*1/3 of weight (or triple range with same weight)
*Charge twice as fast
*5x the number of charge cycles=longer car life
*More stable with much less fire risk.
They are difficult to make and multiple companies are working on them. Once a dependable solid state car battery is developed, every current EV on the planet will be worth dramatically less, as they will be obsolete compared to the EVs with solid state batteries.
That gives me pause before paying 90 to 100k for an electric 718 with traditional lithium batteries.
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12-29-2023, 10:32 AM
#551
But, while we're talking logic....you stated in your first post that middle America is fly-over country. That alone goes to show your ignorance which matches up with that of the coastal cities. They care so little about the bulk of America that they don't even desire to visit it, let alone drive through it. They'd rather pretend to be some global elitists and travel to Europe or some Caribbean island for their social media likes.
They don't know how the people in this country live. The ones that provide all of their food from the farms. They think they're better than them, but the reality is these liberal cities are filled with a bunch of people that really don't know ****, but think they do because they read it in a book somewhere.
I'd highly recommend you take a couple weeks of vacation this year in places like Iowa, Nebraska, the Dakotas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama. etc. Maybe you'll see things differently.
12-29-2023, 10:34 AM
#552
I'll never forget sitting at a bar in Mission Beach during the 2016 election night and these girls screaming "****ing rednecks" at the television every time a state turned red on the election map. Classy. lol
12-29-2023, 12:10 PM
#553
solid state batteries are a big deal-
*1/3 of weight (or triple range with same weight)
*Charge twice as fast
*5x the number of charge cycles=longer car life
*More stable with much less fire risk.
They are difficult to make and multiple companies are working on them. Once a dependable solid state car battery is developed, every current EV on the planet will be worth dramatically less, as they will be obsolete compared to the EVs with solid state batteries.
That gives me pause before paying 90 to 100k for an electric 718 with traditional lithium batteries.
*1/3 of weight (or triple range with same weight)
*Charge twice as fast
*5x the number of charge cycles=longer car life
*More stable with much less fire risk.
They are difficult to make and multiple companies are working on them. Once a dependable solid state car battery is developed, every current EV on the planet will be worth dramatically less, as they will be obsolete compared to the EVs with solid state batteries.
That gives me pause before paying 90 to 100k for an electric 718 with traditional lithium batteries.
12-29-2023, 01:14 PM
#554
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I’m no chemist but there is an enormous amount of research money being applied to this, so no one truly knows, including you.
12-29-2023, 01:41 PM
#555
Look online and just two or three years and how many car manufacturers said that their entire lineup will be EV "in the next few years/2025 etc!" See how that turned out? They can say one thing but the market will show another. Classic economics!