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Old 06-12-2022, 12:18 PM
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Bdron, love yah man and the give and take. We should all be considered damn lucky to have any 996. Mezger or M96. If I had silly money, I would have one of each 996 model just for giggles.

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Old 06-12-2022, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by bdronsick
One day the amber-lenses 1999 looks like a six-figure blue chip, the next it looks to be just a permanent $30K 964 Tip Cab
It’s looking like the latter and I’m okay with that.
30K is still 10K more than I paid for a 2/98 build that was optioned with M030 suspension, hardback sportseats, lsd and 408 hollow spokes.


I don’t think people will ever be able to get past the amber lights and the similarities to the much cheaper Boxster.

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Old 06-12-2022, 12:46 PM
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930S & 944 had same door handles, same buttons & *****, same seats, even the exact same headlight part numbers

50 years later nowhere near the same value

911 history sorts it out


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the amber lights and the similarities to the much cheaper Boxster.

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Old 06-12-2022, 12:49 PM
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Amen!


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If I had silly money, I would have one of each 996 model
Old 06-12-2022, 02:01 PM
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Maybe it’s a personality or generation thing but I have zero interest in any other 911 type

Older are fuddy and underpowered

Newer are cheap and overcomplicated

996 is just a sweet, sweet spot


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Old 06-12-2022, 02:29 PM
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Exactly ^^^
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Old 06-12-2022, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by bdronsick
Maybe it’s a personality or generation thing but I have zero interest in any other 911 type

Older are fuddy and underpowered

Newer are cheap and overcomplicated

996 is just a sweet, sweet spot
ZERO interest??? I mean I love my 996 and I agree with you it is a sweet spot, it’s not too tech-y, and not too outdated. But man I would gladly take an air cooled turbo…
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Old 06-12-2022, 05:09 PM
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My ‘72 is more engaging on a back road, but the 996 is so much more practical and I can drive it year-round, so it brings me more pleasure overall. Honestly though I must say the ‘72 is more reliable. Currently the 996 is at the shop again with a persistent misfire… sigh.
Old 06-12-2022, 06:59 PM
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I would “take” one, but absolutely not in lieu of a Mezger. The air cooled Turbos are really just turbocharged Carrera motors. Granted they are all dry sump, but so are the Mezgers.

The Mezgers are bonafide Porsche Motorsports endurance racing motors. Turbo or NA: the air cooled are not.

I don’t think that is completely understood


Originally Posted by JP_Gervs
I would gladly take an air cooled turbo…

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Old 06-12-2022, 07:06 PM
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Count me in as a Mezger wannabe for a 996 Turbo and 996 GT3 for a dream garage pair. Done for life. Like has been said…sweet spot!
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Old 06-12-2022, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by bdronsick
I would “take” one, but absolutely not in lieu of a Mezger. The air cooled Turbos are really just turbocharged Carrera motors. Granted they are all dry sump, but so are the Mezgers.

The Mezgers are bonafide Porsche Motorsports endurance racing motors. Turbo or NA: the air cooled are not.

I don’t think that is completely understood
I understand..let me also add, I will GLADLY take a 997.2 GT3 as well that better?? Lol
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Old 06-12-2022, 07:35 PM
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997.2 GT3 is the pinnacle 997 Mezger: only one with no sunroof (excepting 997.1 GT3RS)!

You chose well


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I understand..let me also add, I will GLADLY take a 997.2 GT3 as well that better?? Lol
Old 06-12-2022, 07:49 PM
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Ultimately I think the 996 Mezgers will go down as the greatest generation ever

Purest expression of Porsche Motorsports at its absolute historical zenith



Old 06-12-2022, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by bdronsick
Funny, but humor aside: to my knowledge we have not yet seen a Mezger rebuilt from use

Possibly the most durable endurance racing engine platform ever constructed

As Andreas Prueninger, head of Porsche Motorsports famously said: “We have not yet found a way to break the Mezger, so we will continue to use it”
I do love your enthusiasm for 996, and your knowledge and detail of Porsche History is at times astonishing !!

But just to bring some things back to Earth and since this is an economic type thread, I will say that the "Mezger" used in competition gets rebuilds at 50 hours use at a cost of $35k at each 50 hour rebuild.interval, and the gear box as well at a cost of $10k . Used at high level DE events, rebuilds at 100 hours are common.( yea, still cost $35k)

As far as failures, yes they have them also, The 997 Turbo Mezger is known for the cams slipping, I also have seen GT3 slip the timing ring on dual mass flywheel,, and also aluminum bolts breaking on the vario cam actuators, broken timing chains, ect. along with other issues that can be catastrophic.

That said these cars are fewer in numbers and the owners are not whinners, so the issues are not as widely known.

But anyway, carry on !!
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Old 06-12-2022, 08:12 PM
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My sweet spot is 996-991.1
I wouldn't want anything older or newer than that. Maybe to sit in the garage and look pretty. But not to drive regularly.
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