Prices Keep Drifting Up
05-04-2022, 01:20 PM
#6391
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05-04-2022, 03:26 PM
#6392
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The "right" 996 is going to be different for everyone. It's important to know the options, and the pluses and minuses tradeoffs for each, because I think, fairly uniquely to the 996, options (particularly coupe/cab, 6sp/Tip, AWD/2wd) make a huge difference in how any given 996 drives.
The reason I'm so hyper focused on weight is because our first 996 was a C4 Tip 996.1 Coupe bought CPO with only a few thousand miles on it. It didn't have full leather or 3-spoke or any deviations in the Savannah Beige interior. I honestly didn't love that car at all and the interior felt cheap. It was my wife's car (hence Tip AWD) and she loved it, which is what mattered. More than a decade after that fist 996.1 she was still talking about how great it was, so I bought another one, this time a Coupe/2wd/6sp 996.1 -- I didn't have high expectations because I didn't like the driving experience of our old Tip/AWD, but I was absolutely blown away by this one and it had full leather and 3-spoke and deviating colors from a sea of beige so it felt amazing inside. I literally didn't want to stop the test drive and bought it immediately without negotiating price. That's how different the cars with different options are to drive.
I'm not saying any one is better than another, just that they are all different and it's important to know the differences. I wouldn't choose awd or Tip for my needs, but those might absolutely be the best options for someone else with different needs.
The reason I'm so hyper focused on weight is because our first 996 was a C4 Tip 996.1 Coupe bought CPO with only a few thousand miles on it. It didn't have full leather or 3-spoke or any deviations in the Savannah Beige interior. I honestly didn't love that car at all and the interior felt cheap. It was my wife's car (hence Tip AWD) and she loved it, which is what mattered. More than a decade after that fist 996.1 she was still talking about how great it was, so I bought another one, this time a Coupe/2wd/6sp 996.1 -- I didn't have high expectations because I didn't like the driving experience of our old Tip/AWD, but I was absolutely blown away by this one and it had full leather and 3-spoke and deviating colors from a sea of beige so it felt amazing inside. I literally didn't want to stop the test drive and bought it immediately without negotiating price. That's how different the cars with different options are to drive.
I'm not saying any one is better than another, just that they are all different and it's important to know the differences. I wouldn't choose awd or Tip for my needs, but those might absolutely be the best options for someone else with different needs.
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05-04-2022, 03:29 PM
#6393
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The "right" 996 is going to be different for everyone. It's important to know the options, and the pluses and minuses tradeoffs for each, because I think, fairly uniquely to the 996, options (particularly coupe/cab, 6sp/Tip, AWD/2wd) make a huge difference in how any given 996 drives.
The reason I'm so hyper focused on weight is because our first 996 was a C4 Tip 996.1 Coupe bought CPO with only a few thousand miles on it. It didn't have full leather or 3-spoke or any deviations in the Savannah Beige interior. I honestly didn't love that car at all and the interior felt cheap. It was my wife's car (hence Tip AWD) and she loved it, which is what mattered. More than a decade after that fist 996.1 she was still talking about how great it was, so I bought another one, this time a Coupe/2wd/6sp 996.1 -- I didn't have high expectations because I didn't like the driving experience of our old Tip/AWD, but I was absolutely blown away by this one and it had full leather and 3-spoke and deviating colors from a sea of beige so it felt amazing inside. I literally didn't want to stop the test drive and bought it immediately without negotiating price. That's how different the cars with different options are to drive.
I'm not saying any one is better than another, just that they are all different and it's important to know the differences. I wouldn't choose awd or Tip for my needs, but those might absolutely be the best options for someone else with different needs.
The reason I'm so hyper focused on weight is because our first 996 was a C4 Tip 996.1 Coupe bought CPO with only a few thousand miles on it. It didn't have full leather or 3-spoke or any deviations in the Savannah Beige interior. I honestly didn't love that car at all and the interior felt cheap. It was my wife's car (hence Tip AWD) and she loved it, which is what mattered. More than a decade after that fist 996.1 she was still talking about how great it was, so I bought another one, this time a Coupe/2wd/6sp 996.1 -- I didn't have high expectations because I didn't like the driving experience of our old Tip/AWD, but I was absolutely blown away by this one and it had full leather and 3-spoke and deviating colors from a sea of beige so it felt amazing inside. I literally didn't want to stop the test drive and bought it immediately without negotiating price. That's how different the cars with different options are to drive.
I'm not saying any one is better than another, just that they are all different and it's important to know the differences. I wouldn't choose awd or Tip for my needs, but those might absolutely be the best options for someone else with different needs.
05-04-2022, 03:40 PM
#6394
I can start to add that my posts are tongue-in-cheek at the top of each one, I guess.
05-04-2022, 03:43 PM
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05-04-2022, 03:47 PM
#6396
The "right" 996 is going to be different for everyone. It's important to know the options, and the pluses and minuses tradeoffs for each, because I think, fairly uniquely to the 996, options (particularly coupe/cab, 6sp/Tip, AWD/2wd) make a huge difference in how any given 996 drives.
The reason I'm so hyper focused on weight is because our first 996 was a C4 Tip 996.1 Coupe bought CPO with only a few thousand miles on it. It didn't have full leather or 3-spoke or any deviations in the Savannah Beige interior. I honestly didn't love that car at all and the interior felt cheap. It was my wife's car (hence Tip AWD) and she loved it, which is what mattered. More than a decade after that fist 996.1 she was still talking about how great it was, so I bought another one, this time a Coupe/2wd/6sp 996.1 -- I didn't have high expectations because I didn't like the driving experience of our old Tip/AWD, but I was absolutely blown away by this one and it had full leather and 3-spoke and deviating colors from a sea of beige so it felt amazing inside. I literally didn't want to stop the test drive and bought it immediately without negotiating price. That's how different the cars with different options are to drive.
I'm not saying any one is better than another, just that they are all different and it's important to know the differences. I wouldn't choose awd or Tip for my needs, but those might absolutely be the best options for someone else with different needs.
The reason I'm so hyper focused on weight is because our first 996 was a C4 Tip 996.1 Coupe bought CPO with only a few thousand miles on it. It didn't have full leather or 3-spoke or any deviations in the Savannah Beige interior. I honestly didn't love that car at all and the interior felt cheap. It was my wife's car (hence Tip AWD) and she loved it, which is what mattered. More than a decade after that fist 996.1 she was still talking about how great it was, so I bought another one, this time a Coupe/2wd/6sp 996.1 -- I didn't have high expectations because I didn't like the driving experience of our old Tip/AWD, but I was absolutely blown away by this one and it had full leather and 3-spoke and deviating colors from a sea of beige so it felt amazing inside. I literally didn't want to stop the test drive and bought it immediately without negotiating price. That's how different the cars with different options are to drive.
I'm not saying any one is better than another, just that they are all different and it's important to know the differences. I wouldn't choose awd or Tip for my needs, but those might absolutely be the best options for someone else with different needs.
Before pulling the trigger on one, definitely drive several and figure out which driving characteristics really matter most to you. Also think hard about what matters most to you - aesthetics, or your actual driving experience.
I’m on my second 996.1 after selling my ‘00 996 manual Cab at a great profit thanks to the jump in price over the last few years. Before buying this one (a MY99 6 speed C2 coupe) I got to drive a 996 C4, C4S, and the C2 coupe.
I love the looks of the wide body, but I don’t like the 996.2 headlights at all.
I liked the idea of getting a C4, but the C2 was a more sublime, nimble, pure driver in comparison.
There are so many things to consider. For some, the Tiptronic really is the best choice. For some, they actually plan on driving in all kinds of weather and AWD is worth it. For some, the incredible performance of a Turbo is what they really want; and even need.
For some, it’s about bragging rights, status, etc., and that will drive the choice.
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05-05-2022, 04:33 PM
#6397
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It's just good to see that the market has recognized the all-around versatility of the C4s. Yeah, they are expensive today. Who knows near-term with an eventual recession where prices go on all models, but the genie is out of the bottle on awareness and interest in the 996. Add in all of the aftermarket solutions to prevent and solve m96 isues (LN IMS, UAOS, UIDS, etc), and we have a damn good durable and dependable car.
Over time demand will rise for all 996 variations as they become more effectively defined, with no new supply being created. Right now very few know of all the variations and attributes. They only know whats put on Yutube in large quantity and that's C4S, turbo, GT3 and the 996.1 C2. YouTube videos will broaden and so will demand for all variations.
Remember a few years ago when there were only a couple of 996 videos and they only talk about the headlights and ims?!
Crazy how far we have come.
Over time demand will rise for all 996 variations as they become more effectively defined, with no new supply being created. Right now very few know of all the variations and attributes. They only know whats put on Yutube in large quantity and that's C4S, turbo, GT3 and the 996.1 C2. YouTube videos will broaden and so will demand for all variations.
Remember a few years ago when there were only a couple of 996 videos and they only talk about the headlights and ims?!
Crazy how far we have come.
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05-05-2022, 04:54 PM
#6398
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The more I drive my '99 C4 the more I love it.
Yet the comments like above, do make me wonder what a C2 would feel like.
I am tempted to make the conversion to a C2.
Awesome cars, and I am more in love than the first day that is for sure.
Prices can go up or down, I am happy!
Yet the comments like above, do make me wonder what a C2 would feel like.
I am tempted to make the conversion to a C2.
Awesome cars, and I am more in love than the first day that is for sure.
Prices can go up or down, I am happy!
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05-05-2022, 05:25 PM
#6399
I drove a 2000 C2 first, (and put an offer on it) before finding my C4S, the C2 felt completely different, not in a bad or better way, just different. Much sportier IMO and the lighter steering helped reiterate the poor engine placement
05-05-2022, 07:27 PM
#6400
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I see the 996 Tiptronic transmission poo-pooed on all the time. I'd like to give a different view-point on it that is unpopular and against the norm, and is a more technical view.
I have grown up with Cowboy boots and 4-speed transmissions, most all my daily drivers were manual trans, the auto's were an unnecessary expense.
Being the Drag Racing world in my early years I have driven all sorts of high tech transmissions. Doug Nash 4-5 speeds, Liberty clutch-less 5-speeds, Tremec , Jerico , Lennco...
That said, the "Torque Converter" used to drive automatic transmissions is a marvelous technical device, and is used to drive the Powerglides (two speeds)and TM400 (3 speeds) to faster acceleration than manuals in most drag cars in the last two-three decades.
The biggest problem with a manual trans on a high horsepower car is the loading and unloading of torque on the suspension during shifting, it can upset the suspension/traction, on the auto's/torque converters the transition is much smoother during gear shifting and doesn't upset the suspension/traction.Not much of a problem on low horsepower cars.
My daily driven 996 is a ZF Tip, and in 15 years of ownership I always drive in manual mode, I never let it shift its self, just part of the connection to the car, and is so easy to do so why not?
IMO the PDK is the ultimate transmission with the best of characteristics from either manual of auto. It is a manual transmission with lightening fast shifts, and can mimic the auto trans in ease of daily driving and precision clutch action. but doesn't have the "marvelously technical, torque converter device" in it like the true Tips offer.
I also have a 6-speed 99 Cab and a 6-speed 02 Boxster 3.2 that I got for my sons to play/bond with, and driving them is fun for a little while, while technically speaking the 6-speed manual is a bit of a turd, it does bring out some primal feelings due to the simplicity and connection, but I get a more advanced technical connection to the manually shifted Tiptronic 996..
So, I don't "poo-poo" the 996 Tip........I drive it....
I have grown up with Cowboy boots and 4-speed transmissions, most all my daily drivers were manual trans, the auto's were an unnecessary expense.
Being the Drag Racing world in my early years I have driven all sorts of high tech transmissions. Doug Nash 4-5 speeds, Liberty clutch-less 5-speeds, Tremec , Jerico , Lennco...
That said, the "Torque Converter" used to drive automatic transmissions is a marvelous technical device, and is used to drive the Powerglides (two speeds)and TM400 (3 speeds) to faster acceleration than manuals in most drag cars in the last two-three decades.
The biggest problem with a manual trans on a high horsepower car is the loading and unloading of torque on the suspension during shifting, it can upset the suspension/traction, on the auto's/torque converters the transition is much smoother during gear shifting and doesn't upset the suspension/traction.Not much of a problem on low horsepower cars.
My daily driven 996 is a ZF Tip, and in 15 years of ownership I always drive in manual mode, I never let it shift its self, just part of the connection to the car, and is so easy to do so why not?
IMO the PDK is the ultimate transmission with the best of characteristics from either manual of auto. It is a manual transmission with lightening fast shifts, and can mimic the auto trans in ease of daily driving and precision clutch action. but doesn't have the "marvelously technical, torque converter device" in it like the true Tips offer.
I also have a 6-speed 99 Cab and a 6-speed 02 Boxster 3.2 that I got for my sons to play/bond with, and driving them is fun for a little while, while technically speaking the 6-speed manual is a bit of a turd, it does bring out some primal feelings due to the simplicity and connection, but I get a more advanced technical connection to the manually shifted Tiptronic 996..
So, I don't "poo-poo" the 996 Tip........I drive it....
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05-05-2022, 10:39 PM
#6401
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I see the 996 Tiptronic transmission poo-pooed on all the time. I'd like to give a different view-point on it that is unpopular and against the norm, and is a more technical view.
I have grown up with Cowboy boots and 4-speed transmissions, most all my daily drivers were manual trans, the auto's were an unnecessary expense.
Being the Drag Racing world in my early years I have driven all sorts of high tech transmissions. Doug Nash 4-5 speeds, Liberty clutch-less 5-speeds, Tremec , Jerico , Lennco...
That said, the "Torque Converter" used to drive automatic transmissions is a marvelous technical device, and is used to drive the Powerglides (two speeds)and TM400 (3 speeds) to faster acceleration than manuals in most drag cars in the last two-three decades.
The biggest problem with a manual trans on a high horsepower car is the loading and unloading of torque on the suspension during shifting, it can upset the suspension/traction, on the auto's/torque converters the transition is much smoother during gear shifting and doesn't upset the suspension/traction.Not much of a problem on low horsepower cars.
My daily driven 996 is a ZF Tip, and in 15 years of ownership I always drive in manual mode, I never let it shift its self, just part of the connection to the car, and is so easy to do so why not?
IMO the PDK is the ultimate transmission with the best of characteristics from either manual of auto. It is a manual transmission with lightening fast shifts, and can mimic the auto trans in ease of daily driving and precision clutch action. but doesn't have the "marvelously technical, torque converter device" in it like the true Tips offer.
I also have a 6-speed 99 Cab and a 6-speed 02 Boxster 3.2 that I got for my sons to play/bond with, and driving them is fun for a little while, while technically speaking the 6-speed manual is a bit of a turd, it does bring out some primal feelings due to the simplicity and connection, but I get a more advanced technical connection to the manually shifted Tiptronic 996..
So, I don't "poo-poo" the 996 Tip........I drive it....
I have grown up with Cowboy boots and 4-speed transmissions, most all my daily drivers were manual trans, the auto's were an unnecessary expense.
Being the Drag Racing world in my early years I have driven all sorts of high tech transmissions. Doug Nash 4-5 speeds, Liberty clutch-less 5-speeds, Tremec , Jerico , Lennco...
That said, the "Torque Converter" used to drive automatic transmissions is a marvelous technical device, and is used to drive the Powerglides (two speeds)and TM400 (3 speeds) to faster acceleration than manuals in most drag cars in the last two-three decades.
The biggest problem with a manual trans on a high horsepower car is the loading and unloading of torque on the suspension during shifting, it can upset the suspension/traction, on the auto's/torque converters the transition is much smoother during gear shifting and doesn't upset the suspension/traction.Not much of a problem on low horsepower cars.
My daily driven 996 is a ZF Tip, and in 15 years of ownership I always drive in manual mode, I never let it shift its self, just part of the connection to the car, and is so easy to do so why not?
IMO the PDK is the ultimate transmission with the best of characteristics from either manual of auto. It is a manual transmission with lightening fast shifts, and can mimic the auto trans in ease of daily driving and precision clutch action. but doesn't have the "marvelously technical, torque converter device" in it like the true Tips offer.
I also have a 6-speed 99 Cab and a 6-speed 02 Boxster 3.2 that I got for my sons to play/bond with, and driving them is fun for a little while, while technically speaking the 6-speed manual is a bit of a turd, it does bring out some primal feelings due to the simplicity and connection, but I get a more advanced technical connection to the manually shifted Tiptronic 996..
So, I don't "poo-poo" the 996 Tip........I drive it....
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05-06-2022, 01:50 AM
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I just left them out as I was trying to condense...without rambling on about the "good ole days"..lol
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05-06-2022, 04:38 AM
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PDK and other dual clutch transmissions are definitely the transmission of choice for racing.
Just for casual driving, however, it makes little difference to me. If I can have two, I'd for sure have one of each. But if I'm allowed only one I'll take the manual over the tip, or even the PDK.
Just for casual driving, however, it makes little difference to me. If I can have two, I'd for sure have one of each. But if I'm allowed only one I'll take the manual over the tip, or even the PDK.
05-06-2022, 07:03 AM
#6404
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The more I drive my '99 C4 the more I love it.
Yet the comments like above, do make me wonder what a C2 would feel like.
I am tempted to make the conversion to a C2.
Awesome cars, and I am more in love than the first day that is for sure.
Prices can go up or down, I am happy!
Yet the comments like above, do make me wonder what a C2 would feel like.
I am tempted to make the conversion to a C2.
Awesome cars, and I am more in love than the first day that is for sure.
Prices can go up or down, I am happy!
05-06-2022, 07:09 AM
#6405
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Though I've never driven a Tip car, I will say that owning a DSG VW changed my mind about automated manual transmissions. My old CC had a Frankenstein K04 turbo upgrade and transmission software flash... it shifted smoothly and quickly. It was a mom's car indeed but man it really opened my eye to that type of set up.