zachr

You'd think that with electric assistance the eturbo would be less detrimental to sound than a standard turbo. Instead of pushing the turbo, the exhaust gases flow through the turbo when the electric component is providing turbine propulsion.

Plus, turbo induction noises are fun as hell. Just ask anyone else with downpipes and the BMC filters.

ipse dixit

Totally different than what is happening with the 992.2 911.

MB is walking back the mild hybrid V4 in the upcoming AMG CLE63 not because of mild hybrid tech, but because the 4-pot was underpowered. The new one is going to be V8, and still with a mild hybrid.

It would be like if the 992.2 911 came with a flat-4 mild hybrid.

smiles11

@silversurfer6 Is it safe to say the entire run of 992.2 GT3 cars will be without hybrid assistance? Some of the mainstream car magazines have stated the GT3 will have a NA 3.6 hybrid. TIA

malba2366

I would believe the 10-20 hp increase, they have no reason to markedly improve the performance of the cars and they will not get to 520 hp just by adding a mild hybrid system.

From a product planning perspective, S/GTS models making 520-540hp would quickly eat into Turbo sales. The magazines do say there will be a high output hybrid that will price out between the GTS and Turbo…that is the most likely scenario.

From what I have heard and read the high performance hybrid will have the 3.0 turbo engine with a hybrid and awd system similar to the corvette e ray and thus be PDK only. The S will have mild hybrid with current engines, GTS and Turbo will have 3.6l engine with hybrid and Turbocharger. The e turbo will probably be only on the high performance hybrid…I would guess that Porsche wants to test it out on a lower production 911 before installing it throughout the lineup.

I guess we will see how things fall out on May 28.

Gian6

How did you find me? 🤣
I admit it!😅

On May 7 a journalist claimed that the refresh will be announced around end of the May.
If he was right about the the time he may also be right about the 48V mild hybrid for C2 and CS!.
Is it possible to still have manual cars in the Carrera line up?
He also said 3.6 "NA" GTS 400V hybrid, 2kWh battery, 90hp + around 400hp ICE. Around 490hp makes sense in Porsche terms, just +10hp respect to 992.1.
The weight of the system is 25kg, not that bad.
Turbo and Turbo S a more powerful 3.6 engine.
What are your thoughts about the 48V ?

jhardy

I get that HP isn't everything but wouldn't 992.1 Turbo buyers be fairly annoyed if their HP is only 50 more than a 992.2 S? Feels non-Porsche like to add such massive power during a mid-cycle refresh. Or maybe this is just my 992.1 S buyer "hopium" kicking in lol.

silversurfer6

I remember that I have been told that it will not have hybrid assistance and will still be offered with a manual as option. I have it in my notes to find out the bhp increase, engine displacement - i don't think anything will change on the perfect 4.0L and the 2+2 question. The schedule was to launch this early in Jan 25 with the carrera S.

This could be the GT3 to get. The 992.1 GT3 is perfect, this will be similar and marginally a bit better and somehow i do not see the 994 GT3 not having a NA engine and no hybrid assistance - this is all speculation of course.

silversurfer6

But now in the GTS you have 1 turbo instead of 2. SO maybe the sound is similar or better. I really have no idea.

Jrezaf

I've just been told by my SA that the 992.2 GT3 will be last NA engine, period. Get it while it lasts, boys.

smiles11

Porsche has always been focused on improving ‘ring times. The question will be. Can they produce a better time without hybrid assistance with the 4.0

silversurfer6

Regarding bhp for the S and GTS this was my post on the 21st of September last year when the official docs were released:

https://rennlist.com/forums/992/1318...l#post19063043

silversurfer6

Better Aero, 20+bhp and give Lars Kern a huge bonus and you have the time.

ipse dixit

Where have I heard that before.

Jrezaf

I pray you're right! All this talk about emissions this and emissions that makes me feel the statement is closer to reality than we think, though.

jhardy

Thank you! Assuming 510 HP for the S then what does the new Power / Weight ratio become vs. 443 HP now? Obviously 67 more HP but more weight too for the 400V system? Apologies if this was already addressed.