992.2 Info
Three Wheelin'
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Has this been done before? Promoting and selling the GTS at launch of a new model or refresh cycle? Historically it's supposed to be the swan song of a generation, with all the best bits. As far as I know for the last year, my AD has only been taking orders for Carrera T and GTS models. It was the same on the 991.1 (can't recall the trend on the 991.2). C2S sales drop dramatically when the GTS becomes available. Perhaps this time around the difference will be large enough to properly retain interest in the S model (HP or price, probably both)
Even the Cayenne GTS only recently got added to the lineup, as did the Taycan GTS.
More interestingly, are we going to see a 992 Carrera GT that takes everything to 11 ? Or will it simply be the long overdue GT2RS... exciting, even if they're way out of my budget range.
Even the Cayenne GTS only recently got added to the lineup, as did the Taycan GTS.
More interestingly, are we going to see a 992 Carrera GT that takes everything to 11 ? Or will it simply be the long overdue GT2RS... exciting, even if they're way out of my budget range.
Other than the 904, GTS trim has always been launched a couple of years after the model's introduction to be the "value pack" performance model.
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I mean the GTS came out for the 991.2 starting the first model year it was available. Not surprising for them to continue with that with the 992.2. I'm literally reading this thread eating popcorn, the 28th can't come soon enough
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I thought there was a one year gap but not in the US because we didn't get the 991.2 until 2017 MY when Europe got base and S starting as a 2016 MY.
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I think the S /GTS 520/541 hp is indeed too close.
Even If the GTS is 10K more expensive than S , it is still a harder proposition to swing more money for 21 more hp. (Today the base-price for 992.1 GTS is about 15K more than base-price for S. And GTS has 35 more hp (479 hp vs 443ho)).
But all of these still speculation absent of Porsche comment. I have a feeling Porsche intentionally not say anything. I think we will find out the definitive spec of S vs GTS at the May 28th reveal.
Even If the GTS is 10K more expensive than S , it is still a harder proposition to swing more money for 21 more hp. (Today the base-price for 992.1 GTS is about 15K more than base-price for S. And GTS has 35 more hp (479 hp vs 443ho)).
But all of these still speculation absent of Porsche comment. I have a feeling Porsche intentionally not say anything. I think we will find out the definitive spec of S vs GTS at the May 28th reveal.
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I will be sad to see this thread go away on the 28th. If you can't use the internet for baseless speculation, what good is it? I think the 994 thread should be opened right away after this thread closes.
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This thread brings me back corvette forum vibes before C8 unveil. There was a guy there with the name Zora I think who had so much proven credible info (he actually posted pictures of bits and pieces of the interior months before any other picture came out). To the very last day of C8 unveil, he was of the opinion that C8 was $169,000 and was much lighter and more powerful. When the C8 unveil happened in that airport hangar (and the world found out it was $60k and had the same push rod engine) he was banned from the forum.
either the credible sources are truly credible in which case our person here who leaked this info will be found by pag (they do have people in this forum) and there will be consequences OR we’ll see there is no 540hp GTS with only 55 lbs weight gain.
I find it hard to believe car almost got a 20% power increase with a facelift unless weight increase is around 250 lbs OR there is some other “catch” (there is always a catch) like this power isnt available 100% of the time etc.
either the credible sources are truly credible in which case our person here who leaked this info will be found by pag (they do have people in this forum) and there will be consequences OR we’ll see there is no 540hp GTS with only 55 lbs weight gain.
I find it hard to believe car almost got a 20% power increase with a facelift unless weight increase is around 250 lbs OR there is some other “catch” (there is always a catch) like this power isnt available 100% of the time etc.
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This thread brings me back corvette forum vibes before C8 unveil. There was a guy there with the name Zora I think who had so much proven credible info (he actually posted pictures of bits and pieces of the interior months before any other picture came out). To the very last day of C8 unveil, he was of the opinion that C8 was $169,000 and was much lighter and more powerful. When the C8 unveil happened in that airport hangar (and the world found out it was $60k and had the same push rod engine) he was banned from the forum.
either the credible sources are truly credible in which case our person here who leaked this info will be found by pag (they do have people in this forum) and there will be consequences OR we’ll see there is no 540hp GTS with only 55 lbs weight gain.
I find it hard to believe car almost got a 20% power increase with a facelift unless weight increase is around 250 lbs OR there is some other “catch” (there is always a catch) like this power isnt available 100% of the time etc.
either the credible sources are truly credible in which case our person here who leaked this info will be found by pag (they do have people in this forum) and there will be consequences OR we’ll see there is no 540hp GTS with only 55 lbs weight gain.
I find it hard to believe car almost got a 20% power increase with a facelift unless weight increase is around 250 lbs OR there is some other “catch” (there is always a catch) like this power isnt available 100% of the time etc.
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Show us a picture of simply the corner of this document, not the whole document, but proof that such document “might” exist so that we believe some of what you say. You have been here 1 month and you have magically seen this top secret document that my GM hasnt seen yet and I am talking about 1 of handful premier dealers in the US. Porsche is known to make very small increments in power. When they have gone from naturally aspirated to turbo charged, the power went up 8% also. They seem to follow the 2% facelift to 8% major body style change cycle. Germans are known to be OCD in symmetry and math, I dont see them breaking pattern here and increase power mid cycle 7 fold of what they usually do.
Take a look at every release of 911, major version vs minor version. Beginning 997.1 to 992.1. They have always alternated between 2% of power increase to 8% like clock work. Thats for GTS at least. Why do this unless they plan to make GTS the new Turbo and Turbo S becomes some animal larger hybrid massive horsepower car but it makes no sense. Turbo S doesnt need more power. It doesnt need more weight.
Take a look at every release of 911, major version vs minor version. Beginning 997.1 to 992.1. They have always alternated between 2% of power increase to 8% like clock work. Thats for GTS at least. Why do this unless they plan to make GTS the new Turbo and Turbo S becomes some animal larger hybrid massive horsepower car but it makes no sense. Turbo S doesnt need more power. It doesnt need more weight.
From what I understand do you work for the historical officer police team at PAG? And you are an officer that punishes for alleged misinformation?
I honestly take this very lightly, it seems you don’t.
By the way in your previous posts you have actually posted misinformation. I have nowhere posted that the weight increase is that small - check my posts. I mentioned that it should be in the 50-100kg range.
I will repost later my whole non credible info for fun and let’s hope it is not legitimate since if it is, it seems severe punishment is coming.
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How long should we expect the 992.2 to be in production? I'm a planner and would like to move up to a 911 S/GTS in about 3-4 years time from my 718 GTS. I hope that still aligns with the 992.2 production as I really love the car's design.
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Let’s add this to your posts to enlighten new members in RL not to post any credible info that does not align with historical porsche releases and with what you believe Porsche will do.
From what I understand do you work for the historical officer police team at PAG? And you are an officer that punishes for alleged misinformation?
I honestly take this very lightly, it seems you don’t.
By the way in your previous posts you have actually posted misinformation. I have nowhere posted that the weight increase is that small - check my posts. I mentioned that it should be in the 50-100kg range.
I will repost later my whole non credible info for fun and let’s hope it is not legitimate since if it is, it seems severe punishment is coming.
From what I understand do you work for the historical officer police team at PAG? And you are an officer that punishes for alleged misinformation?
I honestly take this very lightly, it seems you don’t.
By the way in your previous posts you have actually posted misinformation. I have nowhere posted that the weight increase is that small - check my posts. I mentioned that it should be in the 50-100kg range.
I will repost later my whole non credible info for fun and let’s hope it is not legitimate since if it is, it seems severe punishment is coming.
MT dyno link: https://www.motortrend.com/news/2019...a-s-dyno-test/
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Let’s add this to your posts to enlighten new members in RL not to post any credible info that does not align with historical porsche releases and with what you believe Porsche will do.
From what I understand do you work for the historical officer police team at PAG? And you are an officer that punishes for alleged misinformation?
I honestly take this very lightly, it seems you don’t.
By the way in your previous posts you have actually posted misinformation. I have nowhere posted that the weight increase is that small - check my posts. I mentioned that it should be in the 50-100kg range.
I will repost later my whole non credible info for fun and let’s hope it is not legitimate since if it is, it seems severe punishment is coming.
From what I understand do you work for the historical officer police team at PAG? And you are an officer that punishes for alleged misinformation?
I honestly take this very lightly, it seems you don’t.
By the way in your previous posts you have actually posted misinformation. I have nowhere posted that the weight increase is that small - check my posts. I mentioned that it should be in the 50-100kg range.
I will repost later my whole non credible info for fun and let’s hope it is not legitimate since if it is, it seems severe punishment is coming.
We have dealer principals, sales managers, PAG employees, test fleet drivers who post here, not once I have seen as detailed and blatant release of information in breach of NDA.
So if you are right (and thats absolutely possible), you are pissing people off. PAG doesnt like this at all and dont leak information this way.
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Isn't it possible that both the 510 HP / 540 HP for the S / GTS are true and that those numbers aren't what will be advertised? IE maybe not 100% available due to engine / battery tradeoff as others have pointed out AND maybe those are internal figures that Porsche won't publish (IE the whole Porsche sandbags their HP figures as dynos have revealed. Eg Motor Trend dyno'd the 992.1 S at ~487 HP). Just a theory...since this forum is what crazy theories are for!!
MT dyno link: https://www.motortrend.com/news/2019...a-s-dyno-test/
MT dyno link: https://www.motortrend.com/news/2019...a-s-dyno-test/
The 8 second improvement time in nurburgring can easily be attributed with the extra aero, wider tires (not R compounds) and basic suspension tweaks and the slight bump in power considering the weight increase. It sounds like a lot but 8 seconds is about 1.15 second per 1 minute of lap. Thats not that hard considering above improvements.
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