. I actually regret the time spending to answer.
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If your information is legitimate, you can be rest assured that PAG will not allow it to happen again (at the very least). I’m not sure what position you are in and what your credentials are, but they will find out who you are. They do have contacts here and the site administrators can easily give them clues as to your whereabouts that can help narrow their search. It wont really take them that long (or lots of effort).
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If your information is legitimate, you can be rest assured that PAG will not allow it to happen again (at the very least). I’m not sure what position you are in and what your credentials are, but they will find out who you are. They do have contacts here and the site administrators can easily give them clues as to your whereabouts that can help narrow their search. It wont really take them that long (or lots of effort).
We have dealer principals, sales managers, PAG employees, test fleet drivers who post here, not once I have seen as detailed and blatant release of information in breach of NDA.
So if you are right (and thats absolutely possible), you are pissing people off. PAG doesnt like this at all and dont leak information this way.
We have dealer principals, sales managers, PAG employees, test fleet drivers who post here, not once I have seen as detailed and blatant release of information in breach of NDA.
So if you are right (and thats absolutely possible), you are pissing people off. PAG doesnt like this at all and dont leak information this way.
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Look it is very simple. I am in Germany. I have not signed an NDA. Information is coming from various sources and from friends that have the same info and have also ordered the cars. Futhermore if you search really well this information is available on the internet so you can do some cross checking.
Again: Cars are starting production. Dealers have allocations. Dealers have to sell the cars. Customer will ask for basic info in order to order a $200k car. Customer does not sign an NDA. It is a normal sales cycle in order for a car to be sold.
Please explain me the consequences based on that I have not signed an NDA and I have received the information from friends in Germany not in the car industry.
I really think you should take it a bit easier. We are not really sharing any war secrets, just basic info to make better decisions for a car to buy.
Anyway I think this is becoming ridiculous to even discuss it.
Again: Cars are starting production. Dealers have allocations. Dealers have to sell the cars. Customer will ask for basic info in order to order a $200k car. Customer does not sign an NDA. It is a normal sales cycle in order for a car to be sold.
Please explain me the consequences based on that I have not signed an NDA and I have received the information from friends in Germany not in the car industry.
I really think you should take it a bit easier. We are not really sharing any war secrets, just basic info to make better decisions for a car to buy.
Anyway I think this is becoming ridiculous to even discuss it.
Last edited by silversurfer6; May 14, 2024 at 10:28 PM.
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I have been following rennlist since 997.1 days and I dont ever remember as specific leaks as he posted down to the power figures, trim levels, manual option in a Turbo etc. As I said, he may not be penalized harshly but at least may loose access to such information in the future. Because either he is just making **** up OR he is spot on 100%. If he is spot on 100%, he must have confidential access that even dealer principals dont have (or didnt have until a month ago). My GM went to stuttgart to see the prototype but wasnt told any of this info he posted here.
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Every facelift 911 as well as major version changes have seen a 5.5-7% increase in power when weight increase factored in (power to weight ratio). So this 540 hp power could be true if weight increase is in excess of 250 lbs for GTS. Then the power increase is 6.5% if weight stayed the same.
The 8 second improvement time in nurburgring can easily be attributed with the extra aero, wider tires (not R compounds) and basic suspension tweaks and the slight bump in power considering the weight increase. It sounds like a lot but 8 seconds is about 1.15 second per 1 minute of lap. Thats not that hard considering above improvements.
The 8 second improvement time in nurburgring can easily be attributed with the extra aero, wider tires (not R compounds) and basic suspension tweaks and the slight bump in power considering the weight increase. It sounds like a lot but 8 seconds is about 1.15 second per 1 minute of lap. Thats not that hard considering above improvements.
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Back to the arithmetic of the power and weight.
- Current GTS weighs 3400 lbs and 473 hp.
- If 992.2 gains 250lbs, it would need 507 hp to have identical power to weight.
- An increase to 540hp is a mere 6.5% increase. Its inline with 5.5-7% power increase we have seen from Porsche in the past.
- Current GTS weighs 3400 lbs and 473 hp.
- If 992.2 gains 250lbs, it would need 507 hp to have identical power to weight.
- An increase to 540hp is a mere 6.5% increase. Its inline with 5.5-7% power increase we have seen from Porsche in the past.
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I’m not a lawyer but breaching an NDA and posting extremely confidential information isnt something they would take lightly.
I have been following rennlist since 997.1 days and I dont ever remember as specific leaks as he posted down to the power figures, trim levels, manual option in a Turbo etc. As I said, he may not be penalized harshly but at least may loose access to such information in the future.
I have been following rennlist since 997.1 days and I dont ever remember as specific leaks as he posted down to the power figures, trim levels, manual option in a Turbo etc. As I said, he may not be penalized harshly but at least may loose access to such information in the future.
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Do you really believe that dealers get the info a month before?
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Look it is very simple. I am in Germany. I have not signed an NDA. Information is coming from various sources and from friends that have the same info and have also ordered the cars. Futhermore if you search really well this information is available on the internet so you can do some cross checking.
Again: Cars are starting production. Dealers have allocations. Dealers have to sell the cars. Customer will ask for basic info in order to order a $200k car. Customer does not sign an NDA. It is a normal sales cycle in order for a car to be sold.
Please explain me the consequences based on that I have not signed an NDA and I have received the information from friends in Germany not in the car industry.
I really think you should take it a bit easier. We are not really sharing any war secrets, just basic info to make better decisions for a car to buy.
Anyway I think this is becoming ridiculous to even discuss it.
Again: Cars are starting production. Dealers have allocations. Dealers have to sell the cars. Customer will ask for basic info in order to order a $200k car. Customer does not sign an NDA. It is a normal sales cycle in order for a car to be sold.
Please explain me the consequences based on that I have not signed an NDA and I have received the information from friends in Germany not in the car industry.
I really think you should take it a bit easier. We are not really sharing any war secrets, just basic info to make better decisions for a car to buy.
Anyway I think this is becoming ridiculous to even discuss it.
You have been posting about this 540hp since February. There is no customer or sales person who had this info 4 months before unveil unless he/she had inside access to PAG. You may not be the person with direct access maybe you truly have a friend who is that person (in which case you are absolutely playing with another person’s job - would he approve of you doing this?), but what you just posted is not believable at all.
And you are in Germany? Really? Germans use dollars? You seem to be very accustomed to $200k sale price of 911s that are unique to US and know the price point of these cars. A German or an American living there would speak in EUR. Plus your grammar and overall tone/construction of your sentences really sound like you are from US. Germans who speak english dont really form these sentences you do. The punctuation, sarcasm, etc dont add up.
And as of this post its almost 3am in Germany and you are posting to rennlist? That doesnt sound right and if you are really in Germany (maybe an American in Germany), you should try to get some sleep. None of what gets posted here is worth being up at 3am.
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Back to the arithmetic of the power and weight.
- Current GTS weighs 3400 lbs and 473 hp.
- If 992.2 gains 250lbs, it would need 507 hp to have identical power to weight.
- An increase to 540hp is a mere 6.5% increase. Its inline with 5.5-7% power increase we have seen from Porsche in the past.
- Current GTS weighs 3400 lbs and 473 hp.
- If 992.2 gains 250lbs, it would need 507 hp to have identical power to weight.
- An increase to 540hp is a mere 6.5% increase. Its inline with 5.5-7% power increase we have seen from Porsche in the past.
And just to be frank. Stop trying to regionalize your wrong posts and disbeliefs with the new weight metric, your problem is the bhp figure.
Your problem was from the beginning with the 541bhp figure. Nobody has said that the weight was staying the same - it is a hybrid for god’s sake, weight will increase.
Last edited by silversurfer6; May 14, 2024 at 10:47 PM.
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I really can’t believe this has devolved into this type of BS and I for one appreciate the insight provided by @Silversurfer6. This isn’t some nuclear or war strategy/clandestine secret where lives are at stake so ease up! Just enthisiastic car people trying to figure out what’s going on. If info proves to be incorrect (which I doubt), then we all had fun on the thread. No animals harmed in the making of this thread!
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Now as much as I think there is a probability of the information you have shared being accurate, the probability of HOW you got this info (i.e above post) doesn’t seem above 0.
You have been posting about this 540hp since February. There is no customer or sales person who had this info 4 months before unveil unless he/she had inside access to PAG. You may not be the person with direct access maybe you truly have a friend who is that person (in which case you are absolutely playing with another person’s job - would he approve of you doing this?), but what you just posted is not believable at all.
And you are in Germany? Really? Germans use dollars? You seem to be very accustomed to $200k sale price of 911s that are unique to US and know the price point of these cars. A German or an American living there would speak in EUR. Plus your grammar and overall tone/construction of your sentences really sound like you are from US. Germans who speak english dont really form these sentences you do. The punctuation, sarcasm, etc dont add up.
And as of this post its almost 3am in Germany and you are posting to rennlist? That doesnt sound right and if you are really in Germany (maybe an American in Germany), you should try to get some sleep. None of what gets posted here is worth being up at 3am.
You have been posting about this 540hp since February. There is no customer or sales person who had this info 4 months before unveil unless he/she had inside access to PAG. You may not be the person with direct access maybe you truly have a friend who is that person (in which case you are absolutely playing with another person’s job - would he approve of you doing this?), but what you just posted is not believable at all.
And you are in Germany? Really? Germans use dollars? You seem to be very accustomed to $200k sale price of 911s that are unique to US and know the price point of these cars. A German or an American living there would speak in EUR. Plus your grammar and overall tone/construction of your sentences really sound like you are from US. Germans who speak english dont really form these sentences you do. The punctuation, sarcasm, etc dont add up.
And as of this post its almost 3am in Germany and you are posting to rennlist? That doesnt sound right and if you are really in Germany (maybe an American in Germany), you should try to get some sleep. None of what gets posted here is worth being up at 3am.
200k is the price of a gts in europe also. Not sure how are trying to deduce a nationality from a price.
Honestly I am not an American, but I do not think it is worth expanding. As mentioned before I live in Germany and in the UK.
Last edited by silversurfer6; May 14, 2024 at 10:59 PM.
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Who said otherwise? I have not seen one post here that was not a speculation about the weight gain - we simoly do not know.
And just to be frank. Stop trying to regionalize your wrong posts and disbeliefs with the new weight metric, your problem is the bhp figure.
Your problem was from the beginning with the 541bhp figure. Nobody has said that the weight was staying the same - it is a hybrid for god’s sake, weight will increase.
And just to be frank. Stop trying to regionalize your wrong posts and disbeliefs with the new weight metric, your problem is the bhp figure.
Your problem was from the beginning with the 541bhp figure. Nobody has said that the weight was staying the same - it is a hybrid for god’s sake, weight will increase.