992.2 Info
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The new 992.2 was revealed yesterday. As a current 992.1 owner, I have a few thoughts about various decisions and changes that were made.
1. Powertrain – In theory, it is impressive. Turbo lag has been one of the biggest complaints for most Turbo powertrain. Eliminating it with electric turbocharger will definitely address it. However, 911 is not an ordinary car. So even flaws such as turbo lag can add to the characteristic to the experience (people knowingly pay a lot of money for the 930, and no one who has a 930 is hoping that it will feel like a NA engine). There is incredible amount of complexity added, for 60HP (in GTS). The reality is that, very few 992.1 GTS owners have experienced their car and thought that they are missing 60HP. Overall, it feels like the added power is more of an compromise to convince buyer for the added complexity to meet stringent emission standard.
2. Styling – despite all the uproar of the new GTS vertical slats, and the standard bumper design that looks like the turn signals are missing, they are not offensive in anyway (compared to the M4 buckteeth). Most likely, many will not care too much one way or the other comparing to the 992.1 after a while.
3. Interior – Central analog tach and Turn key. Disclaimer, they are “gimmicky” features. However, at this price category, every little bit counts. That’s why someone would pay extra to get leather wrapped steering column. Those are “unique” characters that make the 911 special, and we just lost 2, and replaced with something that are generic.
4. Pricing/Strategy/Manual Transmission – not surprised that there is significant price increase as Porsche went public. Unfortunately, the pressure to make more return is ever so stronger, and thus the focus on engineering is less on advancement than return (to shareholders).
My guess for manual transmission (based on how to get the most money): it will not be available for the S as well. As enthusiasts will be more likely to pay more, Turbo manual will be introduced to test the market. If enough is sold, and if there is ADM, they will hold off (or limit allocations for cheaper models) on any other manuals (short of GT). If less people is willing to pay for the Turbo Manual, they can easily reintroduce the T model towards the end of the cycle to rejuvenate sales. Again, profit is now first.
1. Powertrain – In theory, it is impressive. Turbo lag has been one of the biggest complaints for most Turbo powertrain. Eliminating it with electric turbocharger will definitely address it. However, 911 is not an ordinary car. So even flaws such as turbo lag can add to the characteristic to the experience (people knowingly pay a lot of money for the 930, and no one who has a 930 is hoping that it will feel like a NA engine). There is incredible amount of complexity added, for 60HP (in GTS). The reality is that, very few 992.1 GTS owners have experienced their car and thought that they are missing 60HP. Overall, it feels like the added power is more of an compromise to convince buyer for the added complexity to meet stringent emission standard.
2. Styling – despite all the uproar of the new GTS vertical slats, and the standard bumper design that looks like the turn signals are missing, they are not offensive in anyway (compared to the M4 buckteeth). Most likely, many will not care too much one way or the other comparing to the 992.1 after a while.
3. Interior – Central analog tach and Turn key. Disclaimer, they are “gimmicky” features. However, at this price category, every little bit counts. That’s why someone would pay extra to get leather wrapped steering column. Those are “unique” characters that make the 911 special, and we just lost 2, and replaced with something that are generic.
4. Pricing/Strategy/Manual Transmission – not surprised that there is significant price increase as Porsche went public. Unfortunately, the pressure to make more return is ever so stronger, and thus the focus on engineering is less on advancement than return (to shareholders).
My guess for manual transmission (based on how to get the most money): it will not be available for the S as well. As enthusiasts will be more likely to pay more, Turbo manual will be introduced to test the market. If enough is sold, and if there is ADM, they will hold off (or limit allocations for cheaper models) on any other manuals (short of GT). If less people is willing to pay for the Turbo Manual, they can easily reintroduce the T model towards the end of the cycle to rejuvenate sales. Again, profit is now first.
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The complexity of the entire system really is scary from a repairability perspective. It's going to be difficult for independent shops and even more expensive at Porsche once the warranty runs out.
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I've read too many horror stories about the e-hybrid systems in the cayenne's and panamera's, to fully embrace. They all seem like ticking time bombs, once they reach 5 to 10 years of age.
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I have a 2024 BMW X5 50e plug-in hybrid with a similar electric motor setup sandwiched between the engine and transmission where the torque converter would usually sit. It's nice to have ~44 miles of electric driving which is great for city commuting (ample power), but the whole system is super heavy. It adds at least 500lbs weight. I'm also worried about longevity.
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As @SunnySF mentioned, it was stated in the Savage Geese video.
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The 992.2 GTS is going to be fast af once tuners adjust the A/F ratio to run it rich, considering its a 3.6L and boosted at 26 PSI. The 992.1 Turbo S is already 640HP at 17 PSI, and weighting over 3600lbs.
Alas no manual, but I don't think a 7-Speed manual is suited for this kind of power/response. Biggest bummer imo is the particulate filter, which I hope isn't coming to the states or it's at least removable.
Alas no manual, but I don't think a 7-Speed manual is suited for this kind of power/response. Biggest bummer imo is the particulate filter, which I hope isn't coming to the states or it's at least removable.
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Is that why Porsche said that it would only be able to do one lap on the Nürburgring before the battery is depleted?
As @SunnySF mentioned, it was stated in the Savage Geese video.
As @SunnySF mentioned, it was stated in the Savage Geese video.
Maybe we'll get more info on this from the Spain test drives. I hope it is suited to normal track duty.
Last edited by UncleDude; May 29, 2024 at 02:23 PM.
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Is that why Porsche said that it would only be able to do one lap on the Nürburgring before the battery is depleted?
As @SunnySF mentioned, it was stated in the Savage Geese video.
As @SunnySF mentioned, it was stated in the Savage Geese video.
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I like the new rear treatment except for the engine decklid, that doesn't look as nice as the .1. I wonder if they will offer a sportdesign engine decklid cover that's more dressed up. Can you even mount grill badges on it now?
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Well maybe the Individual setting now has a configurable option for the battery discharge rate and a minimum value you are willing to let it go to, to balance out people wanting more than just 7 minutes. Similar to an F1 car KERS system - dialed up to the max for a qualifying lap but not for the race.
That's the other thing they should have had for the .2 - a set of KERS lights in the sport chrono face. Sure the PCM has a screen you can stay on to see this, but who wants to look at that. A simple pair of LEDs to indicate when the system is charging/harvesting or discharging to provide electric assist, just like F1 does.
That's the other thing they should have had for the .2 - a set of KERS lights in the sport chrono face. Sure the PCM has a screen you can stay on to see this, but who wants to look at that. A simple pair of LEDs to indicate when the system is charging/harvesting or discharging to provide electric assist, just like F1 does.