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Old May 28, 2024 | 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by CM991
One makes it a Porsche, another makes a generic car.
That plastic fake key nubbin’ is what defines a Porsche?
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Old May 28, 2024 | 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by shehatezme
992.2 C2S - I predict 3.6L 48V Hybrid PDK only and ICE only is gone. This is why they kept the base 992 around (Upgraded to Turbo Intercooler and .1 GTS turbo) or else they could have just eliminated the base model and force everyone into an S that wants a manual transmission ICE car.

I don't know If they would that because that Turbo runs on the 400V system. That 3.6 with a single big turbo will have crazy turbo lag without that E turbo. It think the most logical setup would be for the S to have the GTS powertrain in a lower state of tune. It is interesting reading about all these changes and all the engineering Porsche had to put in to maintain performance and comply with emissions standards.
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Old May 28, 2024 | 09:24 PM
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gonna be honest losing the plastic turnkey doesn't bother me in the slightest... losing and analog tach to full digital dash on the other hand feels like a significant cheapening... i get it, and the configurability might be nice but I see my Escalade digital dash like my apple watch (which I love) and my 911 tach like a rolex.
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Old May 28, 2024 | 09:26 PM
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The take rate on Porsche manuals ( 911 and 718) is 40%, most of it in the US. Porsche tried to get rid of the manual in the GT3, which lead to 911R, which led to the Touring and of course manual options in the GT3. Have no fear, Porsche know its market, even if they appear to go in one direction, if the chorus is loud enough - and it will be, they’ll keep making manuals as long as people want them and regulations allow them to do so.
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Old May 28, 2024 | 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by slc4s
gonna be honest losing the plastic turnkey doesn't bother me in the slightest... losing and analog tach to full digital dash on the other hand feels like a significant cheapening... i get it, and the configurability might be nice but I see my Escalade digital dash like my apple watch (which I love) and my 911 tach like a rolex.
Oddly enough. Porsche has been promoting their timepieces, yet they took the most important one away.
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Old May 28, 2024 | 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by nyca
That new engine screams EXTENDED WARRANTY to me.
Not only an extended warranty but no way I’d consider a 992.2 GTS purchase until it’s been out for at least a couple of years to give Porsche a chance to work the bugs out, even then the long term reliability for such a new engine configuration would concern me.
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Old May 28, 2024 | 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Scrappy1972
They’re getting customers prepared for the inevitable 911 EV. Fortunately, by then, there’ll be an another 200,000 - 300,000 ICE based 911’s on the road to choose from in the secondary market.
Governments are going to keep making it harder for high performance gas cars to meet emissions standards...they will allow the bottom end gas cars to remain because people need affordable transportation. The reason Porsche made all these changes is because new EU emissions standards mandate that an engine does not run rich at any point in the cycle, including during open throttle. This is why they had to put the 992.1 GTS turbocharger and Turbo cooling systems on the 992.2 base just to maintain the same output. The 3.6 Turbo on the 992.2 GTS (without hybrid) basically makes the same power output as the 992.1 GTS but would have significant Turbo lag thus the need for the e turbo and Hybrid system to eliminate the lag. The big jump in performance was probably made to make the hybrid more appealing to buyers.
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Old May 28, 2024 | 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by slc4s
gonna be honest losing the plastic turnkey doesn't bother me in the slightest... losing and analog tach to full digital dash on the other hand feels like a significant cheapening... i get it, and the configurability might be nice but I see my Escalade digital dash like my apple watch (which I love) and my 911 tach like a rolex.
I agree with this. I understand economies of scale, but why is the 911 sharing interior characteristics with the Taycan, Panamera?

The 911 is supposed to be the marquee. The 911 should have an exclusive interior. High end Ferraris don’t steal the Roma’s interior.

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Old May 28, 2024 | 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnauto
I agree with this. I understand economies of scale, but why is the 911 sharing interior characteristics with the Taycan, Panamera?

The 911 is supposed to be the marquee. The 911 should have an exclusive interior. High end Ferraris don’t steal the Roma’s interior.
German efficiency and cost cutting. Nothing different than what bmw is doing where all the interiors look the same.
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Old May 28, 2024 | 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnauto
I agree with this. I understand economies of scale, but why is the 911 sharing interior characteristics with the Taycan, Panamera?

The 911 is supposed to be the marquee. The 911 should have an exclusive interior. High end Ferraris don’t steal the Roma’s interior.
Doesn’t the Roma share its IP and steering wheel with other, more expensive models?
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Old May 28, 2024 | 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnauto
I agree with this. I understand economies of scale, but why is the 911 sharing interior characteristics with the Taycan, Panamera?

The 911 is supposed to be the marquee. The 911 should have an exclusive interior. High end Ferraris don’t steal the Roma’s interior.
Did you forget about the 996/986 era? The 996 shared 86% of its parts from the doors forward with the Boxster. Parts sharing is nothing new for Porsche.
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Old May 28, 2024 | 10:11 PM
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I have checked my TYD status about 20 times today to make sure they didnt take away my 992.1 Targa 4 GTS allocation with a manual. Never in my life have I been so excited to have an “older” model. I also can no longer access the older configurator even though my freeze date isn’t until 7/2! First world problems and also probably best so I dont keep agonizing over my choices!
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Old May 28, 2024 | 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnauto
I agree with this. I understand economies of scale, but why is the 911 sharing interior characteristics with the Taycan, Panamera?

The 911 is supposed to be the marquee. The 911 should have an exclusive interior. High end Ferraris don’t steal the Roma’s interior.
The Roma, the 296, the Purosangue, and the new 12 Cylinder all share interior styling characteristics, ergonomics (or lack thereof), and function.
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Old May 28, 2024 | 10:55 PM
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So much FUD in this thread
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Old May 28, 2024 | 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnauto
I agree with this. I understand economies of scale, but why is the 911 sharing interior characteristics with the Taycan, Panamera?

The 911 is supposed to be the marquee. The 911 should have an exclusive interior. High end Ferraris don’t steal the Roma’s interior.
A very significant portion of the 911 is shared with the 718 (Boxter/Cayman). Literally, the frame is both a rear-engined and mid-engined platform used for both cars. Most of the parts in the 718 have part numbers starting with 992-.

Ostensibly, the interior and exterior parts are different, but I guess it gets expensive to design, develop, test, and manufacture fully unique interiors and exteriors, so they try to share more and more across models.
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