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But a tuned GTS will be a Turbo S/GT3 beater for 200K-300K less.With just an ECU tune you could theoratically override the lambda 1 limitation and run the engine rich, and advance the ignition timing to restore the 200 missing ponies and make it a 911 Turbo S/GT Hybrid big turbo "F1" 😁 with the 3.6L displacement, higher boost pressure/larger electric turbo and larger intercooler, plus the 400kW/150Nm electric assist... we are talking sub 7 minute Ring times up there with the best for far cheaper than the Mercedes One....ha.
good luck and Godspeed to the early adopters of this engine/turbo/emission/gpf/turbo motor/pdk motor and pdk tune. Be lucky if this thing is problem free after a million miles of factory testing. Cant wait to see what Larry at the tuning shop down the road comes up with.
I have to agree regarding the exhaust aesthetic, it just doesn’t look right to my eye.
It’s like an exercise in how to change a circle into a square. I’m sure it will appeal to others but this is one of the many design aesthetics
that I just don’t find attractive. It’s the first time I’ve found any exhaust design by Porsche to be unattractive.
I have to agree regarding the exhaust aesthetic, it just doesn’t look right to my eye.
It’s like an exercise in how to change a circle into a square. I’m sure it will appeal to others but this is one of the many design aesthetics
that I just don’t find attractive. It’s the first time I’ve found any exhaust design by Porsche to be unattractive.
im personally a fan of the exhaust pipes moving towards the center. Loved it on the 991.2 cars too. But fully agree with you that everything within 12 inches on either side of those pipes is a bit strange. I’m guessing it’ll look better in person though so not going to judge that until I see it in the flesh.
Where is the source of this information RE: ignition and timing? Is the fuel efficiency any better? Is the combustion efficiency any better? Engine have the same redline as previous 3.0? What is new compression ratio? You can adjust timing for better efficiency and actually improve power/torque.
It says in the release notes... Lambda 1 is targeted throughout the entire RPM range. Due to heat running that lean, they had to reduce timing. So in order to make power, they had to increase displacement and boost.
This is all being done for emissions, nothing else.
Porsche pulled ignition and timing, considerably, to ensure emissions are clean at all engine RPMs and throttle positions. In order to maintain power parity, they had to up the displacement and boost levels. To maintain power at high rpm, under high boost, they had to increase the size of the turbo substantially, especially since they also went from 2 turbos to 1. This meant massive turbo lag, which would be unacceptable. Hence, the electric motor between the compressor and turbine wheel. Without hybrid drive, the 3.6 turbo makes 478hp (+5 over the 992.1 GTS twin-turbo). The hybridization adds weight, so you need more power to maintain performance. Since it’s an updated generation, performance parity is not enough, so we add more power via electrification and the hybrid drive.
I think aftermarket tunes will take some time, since they now need to make real tunes by playing with timing, while maintaining safety. And for the hybrid drives, safety extends beyond simply tuning the IC parameters. As consumers, we need to be discerning and thoughtful, when evaluating what tune we put on our cars. Or we risk becoming test vehicles. It should be interesting to see the tuning world step up to the challenge.
What do you mean real tuners by playing with timing? All tuners are modifying timing tables, along with boost target and lambda target.
IF they are ablet to tune these cars and everything plays nice together, it will make huge power. 26ish PSI and 3.6L is what a tuned TTS runs/is, give or take. Depending on compression ratio, get the timing close to 28degrees with good 93 oct and it should be around low 700s WHP.
Somebody pointed out this ledge and now I can’t un-see it. Looks like an underbite to me and the Porsche lettering seems to be integrated more poorly than before in the tail lights. Need to see it in person but to me the tails might be my least favorite design aspect with the update. Most other aspects I think will likely age well.
What do you mean real tuners by playing with timing? All tuners are modifying timing tables, along with boost target and lambda target.
IF they are ablet to tune these cars and everything plays nice together, it will make huge power. 26ish PSI and 3.6L is what a tuned TTS runs/is, give or take. Depending on compression ratio, get the timing close to 28degrees with good 93 oct and it should be around low 700s WHP.
I agree with you that tuners need to ensure everything plays well together. Then these cars will make monster power.
Unlike current cars, where upping the boost map and fueling, and letting the ECU adjust other things to within its safety guardrails, these hybrid motors are already making a ton of boost. I’m not a tuning expert, but feels like a different tuning paradigm with the 992.2 t-hybrids. Even the Porsche engineer on the savagegeese video talked about, for example, how hard it was to tune the e-motor to do the job of the wastegate, Tuners also need to understand how the battery and e-motor work during various regen cycles, so these don’t prematurely deplete the battery, or cause overheating etc. Just feels like a lot of new learning for them before we get fully working, safe, tunes. I think.
Just got done watching the SavageGeese video. One of the better ones.
Question I have for us Track Rats. If Jorge was 100% at the start and close to 0 at the end of his 7:20 ish Nurburgring run, what would us mere mortals experience over a 25 minute HPDE? How do we then get the battery back to 100%?
And then repeat the session 1.5 hours later for another 25 minutes.
Thoughts?
cooling lap become cooling laps, let extra turbo boost recharge the battery, dont forget to switch driving mode too as it affects the charging/ discharging strategy.
People seem pretty confident that a manual transmission will be available. I know they left space in the boxes for the electric drive component, but i don't believe there has been an example of electrification existing with a manual box by anyone to date. It appears the base engine will still be available. Two different displacements are listed on the site for the respective cars. I assume the 3.0 will get a manual. I doubt this 3.6 ever will.
People seem pretty confident that a manual transmission will be available. I know they left space in the boxes for the electric drive component, but i don't believe there has been an example of electrification existing with a manual box by anyone to date. It appears the base engine will still be available, I assume that will get a manual. I doubt this 3.6 ever will.
In before the random poster states that the Honda CRZ had a 115hp hybrid manual.
They have been done before, but not with 400+ lb ft of torque in a high performance car. So it’s a bit apples to oranges.
Current manual design is not compatible with the new hybrid system (transmission motor in PDK specifically).
Also with 718 going EV (only other manual platform at Porsche) and the 992.2 reducing manual availability throughout the range, I wouldn’t expect Porsche to spend millions to develop a new manual transmission. Porsche doesn’t even offer the manual in China, their largest market.
It’s far easier to just keep what they have, and offer the manual on special editions and a few models like T, S, upcoming Turbo and GT3’s. So I would expect manuals on non-hybrids only.
From: Right below the Northern Lights, when not travelling all around.
Originally Posted by renn.tp
I’m not one to jump on the new model hate trains, but this really bothers me. Come on, Porsche!
Right on. I am not saying that the different looks are bad but instead of selling Sport Design packages that use to mean the change of the entire front and back bumpers for thousands of dollars/euros, they should just sell and name it for what it is, "Painted Bumpers", and charge accordingly. Will customers really buy into this? Maybe the less observant ones but even a blind Karen can see that now the bumper "upgrade" means just paint..
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