992.2 April 2024 Release
11-11-2023, 05:41 PM
#916
For a street car that is a weekend fun car or daily, the current S and GTS variants are already too fast. Not really sure what type of smoothness you are seeking but i don’t want my 911 to feel like Mercedes SL.
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robbie9999 (11-12-2023)
11-11-2023, 05:44 PM
#917
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Presumably yes, as that’s how MB, BMW, JLR, etc. have done it. Battery power to boost low RPM torque, which allows for a bigger single turbo for mid- and high-RPM power.
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nyca (11-11-2023)
11-11-2023, 05:56 PM
#918
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Adding a mild hybrid will not reduce complexity. The battery itself is 200-300lbs plus ECU mapping, wiring etc. Working on these things in the future will be more expensive as well.
For a street car that is a weekend fun car or daily, the current S and GTS variants are already too fast. Not really sure what type of smoothness you are seeking but i don’t want my 911 to feel like Mercedes SL.
For a street car that is a weekend fun car or daily, the current S and GTS variants are already too fast. Not really sure what type of smoothness you are seeking but i don’t want my 911 to feel like Mercedes SL.
But if they follow MB, the car will add a battery and a starter/generator between the PDK and engine (we’ve heard about PDK accommodating this for years) to spin the crank off the line. It will eliminate a turbo and all associated plumbing, and all belts and accessory drives off the engine. The aforementioned battery would now power AC and all other accessories. In higher performing models, turbo(s) can be electrically spun off-boost.
As I’ve said elsewhere, it’s further evolution of the ICE more so than what most consider a ‘hybrid’.
11-11-2023, 06:07 PM
#919
Drifting
Will the car have a starter motor (at all) for the ICE engine, or can the hybrid battery/motor start it? I guess they would have to provide a mechanism to charge the hybrid battery if it should fall to flat line charge, I've read some stories that these mild hybrids really aren't designed for the pack to fall to zero charge because then you can't start the ICE engine anymore, essentially beaching the car since the 12V subsystem has no starter motor.
11-11-2023, 06:27 PM
#920
Burning Brakes
Yes, but what type of hybridization is the big question. A so-called ‘mild hybrid’, which arguably isn’t a hybrid at all, is a world of difference from a plug-in vehicle. An E-Ray type of hybrid is somewhere in between, but would make all ‘hybrid’ Carreras AWD. My bet is on ‘mild hybrids’, which is much ado about nothing.
11-11-2023, 06:34 PM
#921
Drifting
There are still weight, packaging, and drivetrain dynamics in the equation with a mild hybrid. One turbo is going to be dropped, etc.
11-11-2023, 07:22 PM
#923
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Will the car have a starter motor (at all) for the ICE engine, or can the hybrid battery/motor start it? I guess they would have to provide a mechanism to charge the hybrid battery if it should fall to flat line charge, I've read some stories that these mild hybrids really aren't designed for the pack to fall to zero charge because then you can't start the ICE engine anymore, essentially beaching the car since the 12V subsystem has no starter motor.
11-12-2023, 06:29 AM
#924
Had a chat with my dealership SM. He said after the recent allocation drop, he had a quick call with his Regional on an issue and was given some general intel that the regional admitted was very loose....but seems to match some of above: .2 C2 powertrain unchanged but ecu boost. As usual, some options will become standard but it will also get some more interesting standard colors/opt colors.
Battery assist will be in C2S and above. Any fall deliveries 2024 will be likely be C2/4/S/4S with variants being delivered in 2025. Debut April at NYAS.
Randomly he was also told he would not be getting any more .1 S allocations.
Battery assist will be in C2S and above. Any fall deliveries 2024 will be likely be C2/4/S/4S with variants being delivered in 2025. Debut April at NYAS.
Randomly he was also told he would not be getting any more .1 S allocations.
11-12-2023, 02:10 PM
#925
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^ Again, if it is a ‘mild hybrid’, it will likely not be marketed any differently (see MB, BMW, and JLR). Only those who follow along places like this will know or care.
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Charles Everson (11-13-2023)
11-12-2023, 02:29 PM
#926
Adding a mild hybrid will not reduce complexity. The battery itself is 200-300lbs plus ECU mapping, wiring etc. Working on these things in the future will be more expensive as well.
For a street car that is a weekend fun car or daily, the current S and GTS variants are already too fast. Not really sure what type of smoothness you are seeking but i don’t want my 911 to feel like Mercedes SL.
For a street car that is a weekend fun car or daily, the current S and GTS variants are already too fast. Not really sure what type of smoothness you are seeking but i don’t want my 911 to feel like Mercedes SL.
mclarens artura electric motor adds like 50-60kg (roughly 110-140lb), no clue why here it would have to be 300ish.
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zachr (11-20-2023)
11-12-2023, 02:32 PM
#927
Some additional confirmation from my dealer.
All models will be hybrid besides base 911.
Base model will get a small bump in power to 387hp.
No more manual transmissions for any 911 not sure if they will bring out T later. This probably doesn’t include GT cars.
They mentioned the hybrid battery will be in the front which doesn’t make much sense to me unless these will be AWD?
I really can’t believe that Porsche is doing such drastic changes on the 911 on a refresh. All their other models - Cayenne, Macan, Panamera have not gone fully hybrid. Hell the refreshed Cayenne S got the V8 back! This just makes no sense considering they said 911 will be last pure ICE model in the lineup…..
All models will be hybrid besides base 911.
Base model will get a small bump in power to 387hp.
No more manual transmissions for any 911 not sure if they will bring out T later. This probably doesn’t include GT cars.
They mentioned the hybrid battery will be in the front which doesn’t make much sense to me unless these will be AWD?
I really can’t believe that Porsche is doing such drastic changes on the 911 on a refresh. All their other models - Cayenne, Macan, Panamera have not gone fully hybrid. Hell the refreshed Cayenne S got the V8 back! This just makes no sense considering they said 911 will be last pure ICE model in the lineup…..
Wrote this 7 months ago
3.6l hybrid engine on s/gts models, 3.0 non hybrid stays with base one. s/4s 510hp, gts 540hp.
https://rennlist.com/forums/992/1318...l#post18759356
11-12-2023, 03:02 PM
#928
I think people will initially want the latest and greatest. It won’t be until the .2’s are out of warranty (as long as demand stays high) that the separation will occur in value. How long after that is the question.
11-12-2023, 03:12 PM
#929
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Wrote this 7 months ago
3.6l hybrid engine on s/gts models, 3.0 non hybrid stays with base one. s/4s 510hp, gts 540hp.
https://rennlist.com/forums/992/1318...l#post18759356
3.6l hybrid engine on s/gts models, 3.0 non hybrid stays with base one. s/4s 510hp, gts 540hp.
https://rennlist.com/forums/992/1318...l#post18759356
11-12-2023, 03:14 PM
#930
Drifting
300 seems high. What they should do is cut down on the EV only range - I believe the Ferrari 296 does 15 miles EV only. Who needs that on a sports car? Nobody. Best case you want enough EV only power to get out of your neighborhood quietly to the first main road - 5 miles EV range would be more than enough on a car like the 911, which would allow a smaller/lighter battery pack. These are the kind of design choices they need to make to keep the weight under control.