Pivot

100th Geneva Motor Show in Feb/Mar makes good sense. Should we mount an expedition?

3uros

I think there’s confusion around what a hybrid actually is. I think the recent Motor Trend article refers to an actual non plugin hybrid with the ability to drive in some sort EV mode for a very short distance will launch in 25. Maybe the next GT2 or Turbo SE or both. I think the Carrera S and GTS may come next year with a mild hybrid set up at the most. 48v battery with a small electric motor sandwiched between the engine and transmission. IMO, that’s not really a hybrid.

Oreos

Have to say, I'm more confused after your post. Electric engine alongside an ICE whatever the size or location seems to me to be a hybrid

ipse dixit

No, I think there's confusion about what people want the 992.2 911 to be.

malba2366

Whatever you want to call it, there will be batteries and an electric motor to supplement the gasoline engine. By most conventional definitions a vehicle is called a "mild hybrid" if the electric powertrain is there only to supplement the gasoline engine and there is no electric only propulsion. The term mild hybrid does not mean the battery and motor are small - the system in the new Toyota Tundra for example is a mild hybrid but it contributes a significant amount of power to the powertrain.

3uros

One of my daily drivers is a "mild hybrid" Mercedes with the M256 engine. Yes, it has a 48v battery to help supplement the engine and it has a small electric motor sandwiched between the motor and tranny, however, in terms of how it drives, it drives like any other ICE vehicle. Sure, the start-stop system is a bit smoother but there is nothing in the driving experience that says it's a "hybrid." With that being said...if the 992.2 Carrera models are indeed mild hybrids, the driving experience should be the same as the 992.1 except with a more seamless start stop system and a little extra boost when flooring it.

nafnaf0

Frank has said it will be a "performance hybrid" similar to new Corvette E-Ray. Unlike the E-Ray which has electric motors driving the forward wheels only, it will have all the power go through the transmission directly which I think is a good thing. The E-Ray has a 1.9kWh lithium-ion battery and permanent magnetic drive motor that can produce 160hp and 122lb*ft torque. The E-Ray coupe (3774lbs) adds just over 200lbs over the standard Stingray coupe (3535lbs). In terms of battery size and performance I think Porsche will follow a similar approach, but possibly a smaller battery to keep weight down. This is considered a "Full Hybrid" (think old school Toyota Prius) and a not a Mild Hybrid, which are generally very limited in the available drivetrain power supplied.

adrianp89

Ditto, my truck has a 48v system. I've owned the same truck without. (2019 vs 2020) - I couldn't tell the difference. I still can't even tell you what it actually helps with.

jhenson29

You see, when an ICE vehicle and an EV love each other very, very much…

Icegrill

bzcat

Mild hybrid generally refers to cars with electric motor assist but cannot operate in electric only mode. 48V hybrid falls in this category but it is not the only kind of mild hybrids.

Parallel hybrid (or full hybrid) are cars with electric motor that can operate in electric only mode.

Plug in hybrid or PHEV are cars with electric motor with batteries that can be charged externally.

Extended range EV or EREV are EVs with (usually) small ICE that can recharge the battery.

If Porsche is implementing the 911 hybrid using the same PDK gearbox/integrated electric motor setup as the PHEV e-hybrids, then the 911 hybrid will be a parallel hybrid capable of full electric driving. The range of full electric driving will largely depend on how big is the battery pack.

GTorBUST

fingers crossed for a 999.2 base carrera with a NA engine

malba2366

That is wishful thinking. Increased costs/manufacturing complexity compared to using the modular engine family they currently use, when they have no problem selling cars.

Pivot

DAX:P911 share price is taking a beating... there will be pressure in the boardroom to launch the 992.2 sooner rather than later.

Oreos

All OEMs are getting hit, EV demand/margins and commentary around a softening in the consumer even in premium segment (Merc, Volvo etc) Not sure they're going to put out an un-finished product because their stock down.