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All OEMs are getting hit, EV demand/margins and commentary around a softening in the consumer even in premium segment (Merc, Volvo etc) Not sure they're going to put out an un-finished product because their stock down.
I really hope with the Cayenne E3.2 launch problems they have learnt their lesson. It is much better to delay the product than causing huge problems to dealers, customers and of course huge stress in their own company.
All OEMs are getting hit, EV demand/margins and commentary around a softening in the consumer even in premium segment (Merc, Volvo etc) Not sure they're going to put out an un-finished product because their stock down.
Agreed, don't want unfinished product... but also don't want delays to sweat old assets as demand is still high.
I hadn't seen these pics. Clearly a pretty much production front bumper on this car. Generally I'm of the belief that the .2 is always an improvement that will grow on me... but the big moveable flaps are not really doing it for me. I like the treatment in the lower center though. https://www.autoblog.com/2023/10/27/...ised-aero-kit/
Mild hybrid generally refers to cars with electric motor assist but cannot operate in electric only mode. 48V hybrid falls in this category but it is not the only kind of mild hybrids.
Parallel hybrid (or full hybrid) are cars with electric motor that can operate in electric only mode.
Plug in hybrid or PHEV are cars with electric motor with batteries that can be charged externally.
Extended range EV or EREV are EVs with (usually) small ICE that can recharge the battery.
If Porsche is implementing the 911 hybrid using the same PDK gearbox/integrated electric motor setup as the PHEV e-hybrids, then the 911 hybrid will be a parallel hybrid capable of full electric driving. The range of full electric driving will largely depend on how big is the battery pack.
Mild Hybrid vs. Full Hybrid
Here is some hopefully somewhat useful information on the difference between a Mild Hybrid and a Full Hybrid. Reading through a couple different sources there seems to be 4 key differences. I use the 2024 BMW X5 40i (this is not the X5 50e which is a PHEV) as an example of a Mild Hybrid car, and the 2024 Toyota Rav4 Hybrid LE AWD (this is not the Prime Rav4 which is a PHEV) as an example of a Full Hybrid car.
1. Voltage of the System - Mild hybrid systems are typically 48V systems (48V on the 2024 BMW X5 40i), whereas Full Hybrids use much higher ~200V to ~400V systems (245V on the 2024 Toyota Rav4 Hybrid LE AWD)
2. Battery Size - Mild hybrids typically have very small ~0.5kWh to ~1.0kWh batteries (0.48kWh on the 2024 BMW X5 40i), while full hybrids have slightly larger ~1kW to ~2kWh batteries (1.6kWh on the 2024 Toyota Rav4 Hybrid LE AWD)
3. Performance - Mild hybrids can simply be used as a starter generator or can be integrated into the drivetrain before the transmission, after the transmission, or at the axles. Full hybrids will always be providing power through the drivetrain. Mild hybrids either provide no direct power or limited brief direct power and typically no pure electric range (‘briefly’ 11hp eBoost, ? lb*ft, no electric only mode on the 2024 BMW X5 40i). Full hybrids provide a decent amount of direct power and have a small amount of pure electric range (118hp, 149lb*ft, 0.6miles in electric mode on the 2024 Toyota Rav4 Hybrid LE AWD)
4. Weight – Mild hybrid systems add ~50lbs to ~100lbs to the car. Full Hybrid systems add ~150lbs to ~300lbs to the car.
I hadn't seen these pics. Clearly a pretty much production front bumper on this car. Generally I'm of the belief that the .2 is always an improvement that will grow on me... but the big moveable flaps are not really doing it for me. I like the treatment in the lower center though. https://www.autoblog.com/2023/10/27/...ised-aero-kit/
Are they trying to compete with the M3 for most fugly car?
I can’t get over the new exhaust set up under the bumper, it’s so wildly different. The muffler is on the left side, with seemingly empty space on the right. There’s also an interesting connection on the right hand side linking the two pipes.
I can’t get over the new exhaust set up under the bumper, it’s so wildly different. The muffler is on the left side, with seemingly empty space on the right. There’s also an interesting connection on the right hand side linking the two pipes.
Someone else suggested that indicates it's a single turbo and I agree.
are you sure there are no more manuals on the 992.2? has that been officially confirmed?
No not confirmed, my own speculation. Due to numerous factors:
- No provisions in the current 7-speed manual for electrification (only in current PDK)
- We haven't seen any 992.2 test mules with a manual
- If Base stays ICE only, great, but no manual offered in base this gen (maybe a T for 992.2 gets one?)
- Porsche is trying to move upmarket (not a surprise to anyone), none of their competitors offer a manual
- Low take-rate for manual (US is an outlier for Porsche with a higher than normal manual take-rate) - manual cars not even sold in the largest market, China
- Additional crash safety tests required for different transmissions (not monumental for a company like Porsche, but it's not nothing)
- Customers seem to want speed / power and auto journalists seem to put high emphasis on 0-60 times (not that we care)
- Additional cost from a manufacturing standpoint to have multiple transmissions and interior trims components to manage in production (dropping manual will streamline production)
- Porsche is now publicly traded, even more emphasis on reducing cost, increasing profits and production throughput (simplification of production)
I've managed consumer goods product development for my whole career, so I can guarantee you that these are things currently being discussed right now. Certainly conversations I would be having.
10-26-2023, 02:04 PM
