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When two people are saying opposing statements, some background to both would be insightful vs. adding pages to this thread. Was principally directed at flat6
Sorry for not clarifying
i spoke to two USA sources that have confirmed, as many have touched upon, that 992S and 992 GTS will not surpass GT3 horsepower numbers.
Makes sense.
My sources are also very solid and in addition are direct to the factory. Bhp figures are from a factory document.
I always like to double check any info and even though I have seen the bhp figures on an official document, I have asked here if anybody can confirm. That said after @6flat post I have searched the german car forums and there are at least 2 more guys that saw the document I have been shown or confirmed 540bhp for the gts - so now I am 99.9% the info is correct.
"Me neither. I heard yesterday that the 992.2 GTS, which was supposed to come out on April 24, was postponed until fall or the end of 24. Now only the basic Carrera (S) will be launched in summer 24. For this, the dealer received another 50,991.1 for 24 quotas."
I think he means the base carrera only for summer 24 since if the S is hybrid - and with 510bhp confirmed it should be - then it will also be delayed - also had a later date in the official doc.
I will check on this week or next but honestly the date thing will not be a fact until very late. At least let's get the specs and differences right.
Add to this the already confirmed delay for the new Macan and you can see where it is going date wise.
Sorry for not clarifying
i spoke to two USA sources that have confirmed, as many have touched upon, that 992S and 992 GTS will not surpass GT3 horsepower numbers.
Makes sense.
I don't doubt your intentions at all but respectfully it does make sense BUT also it does not: 480bhp for the gts now and they are adding the e-hybrid weight: so 60bhp+ extra for a total of 540bhp to compensate for the extra weight also makes sense.
GT3 now outputs 510bhp. Not sure they can squeeze 40bhp out of this engine to go to 550bhp and be higher than the claimed 540bhp for the e-hybrid gts.
That said this will not affect gt3 sales and why would some compare the bhp of a hybrid gts with a NA gt3? Just have a look at the GT3RS bhp output - and the car is doing really well considering it outputs "only" 518bhp.
Last edited by silversurfer6; 10-22-2023 at 11:25 AM.
My sources are also very solid and in addition are direct to the factory. Bhp figures are from a factory document.
I always like to double check any info and even though I have seen the bhp figures on an official document, I have asked here if anybody can confirm. That said after @6flat post I have searched the german car forums and there are at least 2 more guys that saw the document I have been shown or confirmed 540bhp for the gts - so now I am 99.9% the info is correct.
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Is a mistake say that the Gts will have 540HP only knowing that the electric motor has 60 HP, the electric could provide it’s max power when the ICE motor is at 4000 RPM, and only 10 HP when the ICE is at 7.000 RPM, for example
It looks like this is postings from another forum....nothing authoritative there.
I can certainly believe that the Hybrid motor will develop 60hp, but I believe that the ICE engine will be run on a leaner cycle to make less power such that the overall system output is slightly greater than the current output. This hybridization is a compliance move, not a move to increase performance in the mainstream models. There is no rationale for Porsche to increase the performance of these vehicles so significantly, to the point where the GTS will outperform the GT3 and GR3 RS in many ways.
Is a mistake say that the Gts will have 540HP only knowing that the electric motor has 60 HP, the electric could provide it’s max power when the ICE motor is at 4000 RPM, and only 10 HP when the ICE is at 7.000 RPM, for example
Agreed. But the doc I have been shown actually had 540bhp and 510bhp written next to the models.
Further down in the german forum some other posters mention 540bhp. This is why I think we have a double confirmation which will make this a certainty. So to be clear: basically I was informed about 540bhp and there is another forum in another language also mentioning 540bhp. So we are close to confirm this but let's wait for a few more confirmations.
One more thought. I was surprised that the S has a different date to the base and gts.
Have we thought about the possibility of the S and the GTS or maybe only one of them to be offered in ICE and E-Hybrid models? So S and E-Hybrid and GTS and GTS E-Hybrid.
The 992 GTS motor already blows away the GT3 motor in torque 420 lb-ft vs 346 lb-ft so I don't think GT3 sales will lag if the GTS has more peak HP
Yeah but with +70 hp and an increase in Torque the GTS will clearly beat the GT3 to 60, 100, in the 1/4 mile, trap speed etc. and may even beat the GT3 around the ring with the same tires. There is no easy path to increase the power in the 4.0.
I don't understand the translation. Is the S the hybrid, or not? Or is the S only the hybrid in calendar year 2025, and remains ICE through 2024, with only the GTS being hybrid? And why is the Base mentioned with the GTS? I thought the base was surely all ICE, now it's not? This has added to the confusion, not clarified it.
I wonder what the breakdown is on coupe unit sales - Base, T, S, GTS. From what we see here regarding allocations, its impossible to get a Base or an S, easier to get a T or a GTS. Since this is a compliance thing, it makes sense to hybridize the models with the highest unit sales within the group to get maximum enviro credits - so are they going all in on a hybrid GTS, since that is their unit sales leader (as well as their profit margin leader) in the group? Why make a hybrid Base, you can't buy a Base anyway.
The 992 GTS motor already blows away the GT3 motor in torque 420 lb-ft vs 346 lb-ft so I don't think GT3 sales will lag if the GTS has more peak HP
The base and S are significantly underrated currently. The S had hit close to 500hp on a dyno. It’s possible they are just getting close to publishing actual numbers with the .2 and the actual difference on track/street won’t be that significant.
10-21-2023, 05:38 PM
