Airbag997

Walliser did say in order to meet future regs they would need 3-4 times bigger cats, that might explain the more central migration of the exhaust on the .2

dudeoverthere

I took a closer look and you're correct. That would really bum me out if they go to a digital tach on the next 911. Personally don't like the blurry movement of the digital tachs that I've seen. Hoping my 992 build slot shows up before the switch.

panmric

Quite some evidence.
1. The 4.0 9A2evo engine is only used on 718GTS/GT4, porsche won't make enough profits from these cars with respect to the engineering efforts.
2. The hybrid system add weight when removing turbos and inter-coolant can offset some of the weight gain.
3. As the market and users are crazy about getting a N/A porsche like GT3/GT4/GT4RS/GT3RS, it will be a good idea to give people some other choices, ie a 4.0 N/A Carrera GTS.

ipse dixit

The 4.0 engine in the Cayman GTS/GT4 is not a new engine. I repeat, it is not a new engine.

It is essentially a bored and stroked 992-series engine, minus the turbochargers. Which means that Porsche has already recouped the R&D costs by (yup, you guessed it) selling the tens of thousands of 992 911s (minus the few on the Felicity Ace that were not already sold).

panmric

I knew it's bored from a 992 3.0 turbo engine, but there remains lots of effort to tune the ecu, test the stability, and most importantly, to make the engine capable meeting the emission regs around the world.

panmric

With a 4.0 N/A Carrera GTS, porsche can charge you pretty much the same price as a GT3, with more allocations, less ADM. Everybody would be happy!
In the latest insta of Andy Preuninger, he made this replay to people complaining about ADM/low allocation abt GT3/GT4, "(We are) Making plans of how to keep or make you all happy. Stay tuned and keep the faith."
I think the 4.0 Carrera GTS is clearly the solution implying here.

detansinn

Porsche has said for a while that all Carreras will be turbocharged. The GTS is a Carrera trim, with alcantara, center locks, a modest power bump, and the boxes checked for common performance option. That is the GTS formula. It’s practically an option package.

The GT3 isn’t a limited production car, but it’s also not produced at levels that meet the market demand. Why? Porsche has CO2 fleet numbers to contend with. There are regulatory reasons why Porsche isn’t able to drop the NA engine in everything. In fact, the availability of the NA 992 GT3 is a result of Taycan sales bringing down Porsche fleet numbers. Without the Taycan, the 992 GT3 could have ended up with a turbocharged motor — Andy P has made mention of a turbocharged GT3 that was tested for this reason.

The only way that Porsche can truly fix the ADM issue with the GT3 is to make more cars. The Macan EV may help make that possible. It’s money on the table for them right now.

22992

The formula of GTS in the cayman and SUV’s paint the picture for the 911 GTS of the future…Take an engine from a HIGHER trim, detune a bit and put it in the GTS. There may be issues with using the GT3 motor, but the GT4 can be fitted easily. Isn’t the 911 the only GTS in the Porsche lineup that uses the base engine? Not sure on that one. Anyway, the NA GTS makes sense from a market perspective, and from a strategy perspective. I think it will happen. No
way a carerra T will get it. Not the strategy/direction for that model.

panmric

Not exactly. In fact the CO2 emission points can be traded between car manufactory on a open market. So, it's just a problem of profit, as long as a N/A 992 is profitable enough, Porsche will make it happen.
On the other hand, the 718 gts/gt4 made much less profit than a 992 Carrera, they can just cut down the production number of 718 and make room for N/A 992 at a low cost for buying CO2 emission points

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pitt911

my ears tell me turbo

detansinn

If they’re going full Taycan with the PCM and dash, Function on Demand (in car purchases) is probably on deck.

Newport IRL

That’s sounds really good, my guess is a NA.

Johnauto

Is the facelifted 992.2 2024 911 Turbo S going to be hybrid only? The reason I ask is that I have no interest in a hybrid car and want to buy ICE only cars as long as possible.

peterdouglas

Simple - stop speculating and just buy an ICE car now.